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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] transcript of Star Trek Into Darkness

Felix Malmenbeck (felixm@kth.se)



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<div style="direction: ltr;font-family: Tahoma;color: #000000;font-size: 10pt;">&gt; Is this dialogue as awful a mess as it seems to me, or am I totally missing something?<br>
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Well, a lot of this vocabulary is new, but has apparently been revealed at the latest qepHom.<br>
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However, if I've understood this correctly, Marc Okrand actually had to retcon a lot of this dialogue, because in the final cut the scenes ended up in the wrong order and with some of them removed altogether.<br>
So, for example, I wouldn't be too surprised if the {Dojmey} were originally {Dochmey} that she claimed to be working to retrieve.<br>
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<div style="direction: ltr;" id="divRpF908517"><font color="#000000" face="Tahoma" size="2"><b>From:</b> Bellerophon, modeler [bellerophon.modeler@gmail.com]<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, November 10, 2013 21:05<br>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Tlhingan-hol] transcript of Star Trek Into Darkness<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Perhaps it's my ignorance, but most of this is gibberish to me. For instance, {ghach jIvvo' naH}: /Fruit from is ignorant -ation./
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<div>The only complete sentences I can make out are these.<br>
<div>{DaH pIghvamDaq So''eghtaH.} /Now he is hiding (himself) in these ruins./&nbsp;
<div class="gmail_extra">{qatlh DISaH?} /Why do we care about them?/ (or &quot;why should we...&quot;)<br>
{potlhmo' batlh, vIqawba'.} /Because honor is important, obviously we remember it./ (or him/her/them... the context makes it unclear to me)</div>
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<div class="gmail_extra">There are plenty of words and apparent words I can't find in any reference, like jIvuylaH: I can {?vuy}. Also {?ve'} {?yI'}&nbsp;{wID}&nbsp;{peq}&nbsp;{chIw}&nbsp;{?chI}&nbsp;{chuD}&nbsp;{lIb} {bam}, and the closest I can come to making sense of {vInDa'ma'} is /our
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<div class="gmail_extra">There are also verbs with noun suffixes, {jIvvo'}, {Dojmey} and {vum'e'}, and suffixes unattached to root words, {ghach} and {Hey}.</div>
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<div class="gmail_extra">Is this dialogue as awful a mess as it seems to me, or am I totally missing something?</div>
<div class="gmail_extra">~'eD</div>
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<div class="gmail_extra">On Sat, Nov 9, 2013 at 5:59 AM, De'vID <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:de.vid.jonpin@gmail.com"; target="_blank">de.vid.jonpin@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:
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jIvuylaH. jIve'.<br>
jIyI'.<br>
ghach jIvvo' naH.&nbsp;DaH pIghvamDaq So''eghtaH.<br>
'ej Dojmey wID - vInDa'ma' peq.</p>
<p dir="ltr">toH, Hey Humanpu'. qatlh DISaH?</p>
<p dir="ltr">potlhmo' batlh, vIqawba'.<br>
'ej chIvo' neH chIw vum'e'.<br>
Qob lIb bam SoH chuDlI' je.</p>
<p dir="ltr">Yes, it's {Hey} not {Hegh}.<br>
There is no {bo-} on {bam}. Possibly MO wrote {lIbam} by mistake and invented {lIb} to cover it.</p>
<p dir="ltr">I will follow with explanation and definitions when i can.</p>
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<p dir="ltr">-- <br>
De'vID<br>
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