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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Klingon Word of the Day: chut

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<div dir="ltr"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">One wonders what if any role there is for police officers in a society ruled by noble houses where the right of vengeance is a central tenet. I don&#39;t expect Klingons would give up their police powers to some agency. They might have patrols, guards, and squads who are detailed to apprehend someone, but not necessarily on a full-time basis. They certainly have some sort of secret police, as evidenced by Kor&#39;s statement that even he is watched. But with all the different houses, no doubt there is more than one secret police, and the secret police must spy on one another. Klingon forensic investigation leaves something to be desired, as in TNG &quot;Reunion.&quot; Duras&#39; investigation of an explosion merely reveals that it was a bomb (okay, so Duras is a dumbass. Besides, it was his bomb), but Gowron does little better when he states that the explosive was triceron.</span><div style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">
<br></div><div style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">So perhaps Klingon society has no such thing as a police officer, per se.</div><div style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><br></div><div style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">
-&#39;eD</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 6:45 PM, nIqolay q <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:niqolay0@gmail.com"; target="_blank">niqolay0@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">This relates to a question I&#39;ve been thinking about for a while: What<br>

might be the best way to refer to a police officer? My best guess is<br>
chut yaS. Perhaps a more lengthy pabmoHbogh yaS (&quot;enforcement<br>
officer&quot;), assuming &quot;pabmoH&quot; can be taken to mean &quot;enforce&quot;.<br>
<br>
On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 10:30 AM, Steven Boozer &lt;<a href="mailto:sboozer@uchicago.edu";>sboozer@uchicago.edu</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt;&gt; Klingon Word of the Day for Wednesday, August 07, 2013<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; Klingon word: chut<br>
&gt;&gt; Part of speech: noun<br>
&gt;&gt; Definition: law<br>
&gt;&gt; Source: TKD (83 KE, 140 EK)<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; AFAIK never used in canon - anything in paq&#39;batlh? - but there is an interesting scene in &quot;Star Trek: Klingon!&quot; (KCD; pp. 23f. in the novelization):<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;     Then speaking to Pok, but looking directly into Vok&#39;s face,<br>
&gt;   [K&#39;Tar] said, &quot;Throw this {veQ} out.&quot;<br>
&gt;     Pok stood and moved toward Vok, reaching for the unwanted<br>
&gt;   guest.<br>
&gt;     &quot;{bIyem&#39;a&#39;!}&quot; Vok said.<br>
&gt;     Pok stopped short of grabbing Vok...<br>
&gt;     &quot;The celebration,&quot; Vok said, &quot;was declared a {lop&#39;no}.<br>
&gt;   You have invited the spirits of all our Klingon ancestors.<br>
&gt;   Tradition dictates that all are welcome to the {lop &#39;no}.<br>
&gt;   Even ancient rivals. Even me, K&#39;Tar.&quot;<br>
&gt;     &quot;{Chut Quj [sic]},&quot; K&#39;Tar said.<br>
&gt;     &quot;{Luq ratlh [sic]},&quot; Pok said, almost spitting his words<br>
&gt;   at Vok.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; ?{chut Quj} &quot;play by the rules (of the law)&quot;?  (K&#39;Tar might really have said {chut QIj}, &quot;He explained the law&quot; as the authors/editors often changed I&#39;s to u or added extraneous u&#39;s in other places; e.g. {Quapla&#39;} instead of {Qapla&#39;}.)<br>

&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; TKW vii:  Though some, perhaps many, of a society&#39;s virtues are represented in its legal codes, a virtue [{ghob}] is not a law. A violation of a virtue need not carry with it any legal sanction.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Known Klingon laws, rights, etc.:<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;   The Klingon law of heredity - *g&#39;now juk Hol pajhard* [sic!] &quot;A son shall share in the honors or crimes of his father&quot; - would have required the execution of Worf and his brother Kurn for the treachery of their father, Mogh, had not those charges proven false. (TNG &quot;Redemption I&quot;)<br>

&gt;   {bortaS Dib} &quot;Right of Vengeance&quot;:  Although under discommendation, Worf invoked the Right of Vengeance after Duras had murdered his mate, K&#39;ehleyr, killing him in a duel on Duras&#39; ship the IKC Vorn in 2367. The Klingons declared the matter closed. &quot;He has claimed the Right of Vengeance.&quot; (the Vorn&#39;s first officer?, TNG &quot;Reunion&quot;) &quot;A Klingon who denies himself the Right of Vengeance is no Klingon at all.&quot; (Kor to Worf, DS9 &quot;The Sword of Kahless&quot;)<br>

&gt;<br>
&gt; &quot;You&#39;ll find there are many rules and regulations. They will be posted. Violation of the smallest of them will be punished by death.&quot; (Kor, TOS &quot;Errand of Mercy&quot;)<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Related words:<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; HeS                     crime (n)<br>
&gt; paQDI&#39;norgh     teachings (n)<br>
&gt; DIb                     privilege, right (n)<br>
&gt; ruv                     justice (n)<br>
&gt; teblaw&#39;                 jurisdiction (n)<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; loHwI&#39;                  magistrate (n) [i.e. a judge]<br>
&gt; &#39;oDwI&#39;                  arbitrator,  arbiter<br>
&gt; yoj                     judgment (n)<br>
&gt; bo&#39;DIj          court [of law] (n)<br>
&gt; meqba&#39;          mek&#39;ba [type of legal proceeding] (n)<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; mub                     be legal (v)<br>
&gt; Hat                     be illegal (v)<br>
&gt; HeS                     commit a crime (v)<br>
&gt; ghIpDIj                 court martial (v)<br>
&gt; noH                     judge, estimate (v)<br>
&gt; &#39;oD                     arbitrate, mediate (v)<br>
&gt; loH                     administer (v)<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; --<br>
&gt; Voragh<br>
&gt; Ca&#39;Non Master of the Klingons<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
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