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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Dothraki nugh vIghal
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<body class='hmmessage'><div dir='ltr'><span style="color: rgb(68, 68, 68); font-size: 15px; line-height: 21px;">When learning a natural language you are tempted to make the language work the way you want. However, since there is a native language community, you don't get to make the changes you wish the language had and you must instead work to learn how to use the language the way the natives do.</span><br style="line-height: 21px; color: rgb(68, 68, 68); font-size: 15px;"><br style="line-height: 21px; color: rgb(68, 68, 68); font-size: 15px;"><span style="color: rgb(68, 68, 68); font-size: 15px; line-height: 21px;">When learning an artificial language, your mind knows that it's all been created and there is no reason that some rule has to be a certain way except that someone has declared it so. It seems like, if you come up with a better way to do it you should be able to convince others that the language should actually work that way. Thus beginners show up with grand ideas about how the language can be improved and/or expanded. People who have learned to follow the current rules resist these attempts at change and the beginner gets frustrated that he is not being listened to and quits. Or in Noah's words, "the lack of community involvement in its furtherment... makes growing the speaking base hard."</span><br style="line-height: 21px; color: rgb(68, 68, 68); font-size: 15px;"><br style="line-height: 21px; color: rgb(68, 68, 68); font-size: 15px;"><span style="color: rgb(68, 68, 68); font-size: 15px; line-height: 21px;">I feel little sympathy for those that never put the effort into learning to speak the language the way it exists. When you can discuss your wishes for the language in the language, then maybe you have a right to complain. But for most speakers, by the time they get there, they realize that they don't need to make those changes and that, in fact, those changes hurt the uniqueness and character of the language.</span><br style="line-height: 21px; color: rgb(68, 68, 68); font-size: 15px;"><br style="line-height: 21px; color: rgb(68, 68, 68); font-size: 15px;"><span style="color: rgb(68, 68, 68); font-size: 15px; line-height: 21px;">I understand the desire to have more active growth into yet unexplored areas, but I disagree that the lack of more new words is what is keeping the Klingon speaking community small.</span><div style="line-height: 21px; color: rgb(68, 68, 68); font-size: 15px;"><br></div><div style="line-height: 21px; color: rgb(68, 68, 68); font-size: 15px;">However, I do agree with De'vID that we need a working website, STAT. We need to be ready to receive new potential members when the new movie comes out.<br><div><br></div><div>Jeremy<br><br><div><div id="ecxSkyDrivePlaceholder"></div><hr id="ecxstopSpelling">Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2013 16:28:08 -0400<br>From: [email protected]<br>CC: [email protected]<br>Subject: Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Dothraki nugh vIghal<br><br><div dir="ltr">In my heretical opinion, I feel like Klingon stagnates because we're stuck waiting on MO for new words and constructions. Obviously, he's great, but the lack of community involvement in its furtherment, as I see it, makes growing the speaking base hard.<br></div><div class="ecxgmail_extra"><br></div></div></div></div> </div></body>
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