tlhIngan-Hol Archive: Thu Nov 29 07:06:41 2012
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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Close female friend of a male?
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ghItlhpu' naHQun, jatlh:<br>> We have chaj and maqoch for close friends of the same gender, but no<br><div>> words for close friends of the opposite gender.<br><br>jang Quvar, jatlh:<br>> I first I had the idea to extend the meaning and "misuse" the word, but <br>> now I just read in KGT that doing exactly this is not allowed:<br><br>Indeed. To do so is highly insulting.<br><br>taH:<br>> On the previous page, it is suggested to use {jupna'} for close friends, <br>> "real friend, good friend".<br><br>Ah, yes! Thanks for reminding me of that passage.<br><br>> Using {-oy} on {jup} sounds wrong. Usually, only children use it, and <br>> romantic partners use it in the {bang pong}.<br><br>With due respect, I think you're interpreting the KGT passage too restrictively. It focuses specifically on the way {-oy}-marked terms are used between parents and children. It says nothing about how, say, brothers and sisters might use {-oy} when referring to each other (and we know that it can be so used: {be'nI'oy} "sis", TKD p.174). In fact, TKD says that the term can be used not only with kinship terms, but even with nouns referring to pets. If pets are fair game for {-oy}, surely dear friends would be too.<br><br>Of course, they'd have to be *extremely* good friends to go beyond {jupna'}, but that's a matter of context. In my context, for instance, I'm still happy with using {jupoywI'}: the original Georgian is /dao asmat/ "o sister Asmat!". The use of not just a word for "friend", but an actual kinship term, implies an extremely close relationship that I don't think is well captured even by {jupna'}, but in a literal rendering as {be'nI'wI'}, the metaphor doesn't transfer well.<br><br>QeS<br></div> </div></body>
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