tlhIngan-Hol Archive: Tue Jan 31 09:38:29 2012
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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Vocabulary Sources & Sort Order
For my sorting algorithm, I actually converted the words to unicode pIqaD first, stored that string and then used it to sort the dictionary. During that process I convert the letters to single characters and then convert those single characters into pIqaD. <div>
<br></div><div>I have this whole process automated, so if you have your dictionary in an spreadsheet or database I can probably do the whole pIqaD conversion process for you. </div><div><br></div><div>qurgh<br><div><br></div>
<div><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Jan 31, 2012 at 11:56 AM, Qov <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:[email protected]";>[email protected]</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
I'm in the course of doing something that every Klingonist should do, but that I admit to having never done: typing out all the vocabulary.<br>
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I started (most of you know this story) with a first printing, first edition of TKD that I wanted to keep nice, so I memorized the vocabulary in order to avoid over-thumbing it. I bought the second edition, and subsequent Okrand works, but I tried to learn each new word as it came out, and then used ter'eS's wonderful KLIflash tool for cementing my vocabulary. In recent years my command of the vocabulary has dropped specifically because when DOS stopped being accessible on Windowns machines, I could no longer use KLIflash. I've finally started the project that everyone else did fifteen years ago. It's easy going because I do know the vocabulary, so don't have to type the words letter-by-letter like a beginner would. I'm enjoying the review and am still being occasionally surprised by reminders like, "oh, laj is a noun, too."<br>
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I'm just starting the v's in KGT and the thing that made me write this post is the amusement that as I get to words like vaH in KGT, or even ghoch in the TKD appendix, I say, "wait, no, this is original vocabulary" and go back and confirm that it's an original TKD word. I think it's funny that my brain has saved when it learned the words along with the words. I think the language must be a different experience for everyone who never had to function in it without {'uch} and it will be a different experience again for those to come whose tlhIngan Hol has always been rich with food words, and always included words for "hole", "window" and "table." Now if only I had "bridge," the sort that goes over a river. not raghjaj 'oghlaHghachmaj!<br>
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Speaking of creativity, when it comes to sorting lists in Klingon, let's see, if I substitute:<br>
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' --> z<br>
ch --> c<br>
gh --> f<br>
ng -->nx<br>
Q --> Qx<br>
tlh --> tx<br>
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do the sort and then reverse the procedure, I think will get almost the correct sort order without losing information. A word like bot'eng would end up after botlh'eng, but I don't think there are any examples like that.<br>
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I can't do tlh->tz, because then bot'eng becomes botzeng and botlh'eng becomes botzzeng and reversing the process gives either botlheng and botlh'eng or bot'eng and bot''eng.<br>
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I suppose the safe option is to sub every single letter so that the 26 Klingon ones become the 26 latin ones, in an order that subs the two and three letter combos (I don't care what we call them) first and then the undo needs to be in a calculated order, too. Someone must have this down to a science.<br>
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- Qov<br>
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