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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] nuq bop bom: 'ay' wa'vatlh wejmaH wej: <qama' mIwmey>

De'vID jonpIn ([email protected]) 

<p><br>
QeS &#39;utlh:<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; Makes sense. If that&#39;s the case, then in order to say that you cover<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; X with Y, you&#39;d have to say {X velmeH Y vIlo&#39;} or {Y-vaD X vIvelmoH};</p>
<p>De&#39;vID:<br>
&gt; &gt; &gt; I think you mean {X-vaD Y vIvelmoH}?</p>
<p>QeS &#39;utlh:<br>
&gt; &gt; Nope. We only have a single clear example of a causative of a divalent<br>
&gt; &gt; verb, but it shows that it&#39;s the *subject* of the non-causative form<br>
&gt; &gt; that gets demoted to the {-vaD} position in the causative, so:<br>
&gt; &gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; ghaHvaD quHDaj qawmoH<br>
&gt; &gt; It reminds him of his heritage. (S20)</p>
<p>De&#39;vID:<br>
&gt; *mind blown*</p>
<p>Maybe I can translate this line like so:</p>
<p>It is imperative that we act now to support the Gorkon initiative, lest more conservative elements persuade his Empire that it is better to attempt a military solution and die fighting.</p>
<p>ghorqon jInmol&#39;a&#39; wIlajnIS &#39;ej wInumnIS. DaH mavangbe&#39;chugh, wo&#39;DajvaD qechvam luHarmoH choHqangbe&#39;wI&#39;pu&#39;: SuvtaHvIS Hegh qaq law&#39; yIn qaq puS. </p>
<p>I wonder if {pon} works the same way as {HarmoH} (i.e., {vay&#39;vaD qech pon})?</p>
<p>--<br>
De&#39;vID </p>

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