tlhIngan-Hol Archive: Wed Nov 30 07:12:54 2011
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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Noun cases
<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">You fell into one of those little traps that Okrand left for us. *puqmey* does not mean "children scattered all about". The only example Okrand gave us was {tlhonmey} for "nostrils scattered all about". So, body parts with the "can't use language" plural form imply "scattered all about". That's the only violation of noun gender that has a poetic meaning in Klingon. Any other violation is simply ungrammatical without meaning.<div><br><div>
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<br><div><div>On Nov 30, 2011, at 10:01 AM, Philip Newton wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div>On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 15:13, David Trimboli <<a href="mailto:[email protected]";>[email protected]</a>> wrote:<br><blockquote type="cite">On 11/30/2011 8:20 AM, Michael Everson wrote:<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Klingon doesn't have declensions; it's agglutinative.<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">Agglutination and declension are mutually exclusive? Isn't the inflection of<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">a noun by agglutinative suffixes a declension?<br></blockquote><br>Also, if we take "declension" to be "declension class" (as in "the<br>Latin fourth declension"), Klingon arguably has that, too... three<br>noun classes, each with its own separate form of the plural marker<br>-mey -Du' -pu'. And with each noun belonging to a specific class,<br>yielding things such as {jIb Ho'Du'} even though the teeth of a comb<br>are not (usually...) a body part.<br><br>But then there is {tIqpu'}, and the "scattered all about" of {puqmey}<br>and the like, which makes such a Latinate analysis messy.<br><br>Cheers,<br>Philip<br>-- <br>Philip Newton <<a href="mailto:[email protected]";>[email protected]</a>><br><br>_______________________________________________<br>Tlhingan-hol mailing list<br><a href="mailto:[email protected]";>[email protected]</a><br>http://stodi.digitalkingdom.org/mailman/listinfo/tlhingan-hol<br></div></blockquote></div><br></div></body></html>_______________________________________________
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