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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Eurotalk - New Words - First Words

Adm qe'San ([email protected]) [KLI Member] 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Trimboli [mailto:[email protected]]
> Sent: 04 November 2011 20:23
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Eurotalk - New Words - First Words
> 
> > bicycle - qam Do Duj
> > car - puH Duj
> > bus - lupwI'
> > airplane - muD Duj
> > train - lupwI' mIr
> > ship - bIQ Duj
> 
> Clearly, Klingons don't have words for these things (except "bus"), so
> we finally have dispensation to use {Duj} for "vehicle." Or at least,
> "thing that isn't a spaceship but goes from place to place."

When originally working on this list I couldn't assume CBS would even
approve it let alone expect Marc's involvement so there were times when I
took a leap of faith so when I found out that some had used Duj for car I
thought I didn't want a straight list of descriptions or boring
transliterations. So Duj is all I put forward for car and muD Duj for
airplane.. After that I Should have thought twice about car and followed the
same pattern but luckily Marc spotted that and changed car to puH Duj.   
 
> > shower - bIQ ghaywI' pa'
> 
> I've been wondering what {ghay} means. I'm thinking "spray."

I thought about that myself. You don't want to know what I suggested but
many hours were wasted on it all the same.. Having said that Marc said it
wasn't wrong but decided to take the opportunity of adding ghaywI' which
allowed for a nicer construction. 
 
> > I'm disappointed with "hello" being {nuqneH}.
> > Especially since I run the program in Hawaiian and I see "Aloha -
> nuqneH".
> > And {nuqneH} doesn't even come close to capturing the spirit of
> Aloha.
> >
> > I'd rather a new phrase like we got for "goodbye".
> > Nothing too special, just something else.
> 
> Bleah! No thanks. Imagine you're a Klingon showing the Eurotalk people
> the right words for these things.
> 
> Eurotalk: "How do you say 'hello'?"
> Klingon: "What does 'hello' mean?"
> Eurotalk: "It's what you say to greet someone."
> Klingon: "You don't say a phrase; you just get down to business."
> Eurotalk: "But we need a word here for the program."
> Klingon: "Sometimes if the business doesn't start right away one
> Klingon
> might say, {nuqneH}."
> Eurotalk: "Is that 'hello'?"
> Klingon: "It means 'whaddya want?'"
> Eurotalk: "It's a greeting?"
> Klingon: "Yeah, kinda."
> Eurotalk: "Close enough. We'll use it for 'hello.'"
> 
> Why do we want to ruin decades of telling people there's no word for
> "hello" by inventing a word for "hello"?

Sustel qatlho'

That's what I thought too.. As a Terran I hate nuqneH but from a Klingon
perspective how could anything else be placed there.. Marc and myself may
have chosen to take the stance of a Klingon learning what to say on Earth
for the translations especially for other words that conceptually didn't fit
into Klingon culture. However at the end of the day this is "chosen Earth
Language" into tlhIngan Hol so would you want to take responsibility for any
Terran going up to a Klingon and starting with anything other than nuqneH?
We've all heard on Power Klingon where that can lead.

qe'San


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