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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] EuroTalk word for "postcard"

De'vID jonpIn ([email protected]) 

<p>re: {ngeHmeH QIn nav}</p>
<p>De&#39;vID:<br>
&gt; &gt; I know the text was replaced so it doesn&#39;t really count as canon, but<br>
&gt; &gt; presumably if a Klingon was asked to describe what a {QIn &#39;echletHom} is<br>
&gt; &gt; rather than just name it, he&#39;d say whatever the original text was, and<br>
&gt; &gt; I&#39;m curious as to whether it told us anything new about how {ngeH} is<br>
&gt; &gt; used</p>
<p>QeS &#39;utlh:<br>
&gt; Not really. But I didn&#39;t think there was any real doubt? Doesn&#39;t it behave<br>
&gt; like {nob}? We have a canon example from the Message to Kronos:<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; tlhIngan SuvwI&#39; Duypu&#39; bongeH &#39;e&#39; lutul tera&#39;nganpu&#39;<br>
&gt; &quot;[We] Terrans hope you will send Klingon warrior emissaries&quot;</p>
<p>We have two canon examples for {ngeHbej} from Star Trek V... one of which mean &quot;cosmos&quot;. :-)</p>
<p>I was just curious as to whether {ngeH} can be used without an object.  In English, you can&#39;t say &quot;he sends&quot; without an object (he sends what?), although you can say &quot;he gives&quot; without one (e.g., &quot;he gives generously&quot;).  How do Klingon {ngeH} and {nob} behave?</p>

<p>How do you parse {ngeHmeH QIn nav}?  What&#39;s the subject of {ngeH} here?  I suppose it has the same syntactical structure as {ghojmeH taj} or {SopmeH pa&#39;} {HIjmeH chaw&#39;} or {chenmoHlu&#39;meH Daq}, none of which specify the subject or the object of the verb, in which case {ngeHmeH QIn nav} doesn&#39;t give us any information about the object of {ngeH} (and whether it can be null).  OTOH I would&#39;ve thought {ngeH} had to take an object (probably because I&#39;m influenced by the English &quot;send&quot;), and the fact that it wasn&#39;t *{QIn ngeHbej nav} may suggest that {ngeH}, unlike &quot;send&quot;, can be used without an object.</p>

<p>--<br>
De&#39;vID</p>

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