tlhIngan-Hol Archive: Fri Dec 16 00:12:23 2011
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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] QangHom
<p><br>
Qov:<br>
> > Interesting. It really looks here as though those that sit at the table and<br>
> > decide policy are all {tlhIngan yejquv DevwI'pu'}. Leaders of the Empire, as<br>
> > it were. This will work for me, as I can then use DevwI' as a title, {vu<br>
> > DevwI'}</p>
<p>Philip Newton:<br>
> On the other hand, consider this from KGT (p. 53):<br>
><br>
> Finally, a student may be described as a {mangHom} ("cadet"), but<br>
> {mangHom} is not an official title. One should not say, for example,<br>
> {qImlaq mangHom} ("Cadet K'mlak").<br>
><br>
> So I'm not sure whether nouns can automatically be used as titles.</p>
<p>Especially a noun like {DevwI'} formed from a verb. {vu DevwI'} looks to me like "Foo's leader, Foo's guide", not "Leader Foo, Guide Foo". Of course, this is a problem with apposition in Klingon in general.</p>
<p>But why should the indicator of membership in the {yejquv} be a noun? I would not be surprised if it were a verb such as {quv}: {vu quv} "Honored Foo", "Foo of the {yejquv}". (Of course, "honored" is such an overused concept in Klingon.) Or, why should the councillor's relation to the {yejquv} place the emphasis on the councillor rather than the council? Perhaps Councillor Foo is referred to as {yejquv vu} "the High Council's Foo, Foo of the High Council"</p>
<p>Qov:<br>
> >> I tend to use {qup} "elder" for this (especially for "senator"); cp.<br>
> >> {quprIp} "Council of Elders". I don't know if {qup} refers to an honored,<br>
> >> traditional leader or just someone elderly.</p>
<p>Philip Newton:<br>
> Given that it's the "opposite" of {puq} "child", I had always assumed<br>
> that it referred to anyone older.</p>
<p>But surely, a {quprIp} is a council not just of elderly people, but of elderly people who are distinguished in some way. The word {quprIp} is a direct translation into Klingon of the Organian "Council of Elders", who make decisions concerning the governance of Organia.</p>
<p>--<br>
De'vID</p>
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