tlhIngan-Hol Archive: Tue Jan 19 07:23:56 2010
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RE: Today is a good day to discuss grammar
- From: Steven Boozer <[email protected]>
- Subject: RE: Today is a good day to discuss grammar
- Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 09:22:50 -0600
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- Thread-topic: Today is a good day to discuss grammar
buSwI':
>> Recently, I was thinking about {Heghlu'meH QaQ jajvam}. The English
>> translation uses infinitive (is it called that in English?) "to die"
>> wheras the Klingon has the indefinite subject marker {-lu'} instead.
>> Is that a standard way to translate the indefinite subject for
>> intransitive verbs?
>>
>> All of the example verbs in TKD 4.2.5 are transitive which means that
>> the suggested translation (passive form) is less than useful since the
>> passive form has the object of the indefinite subject verb as subject,
>> but for an intransitive verb there is no such object.
I don't want to get into infinitives this early in the morning, but FYI Okrand has used the combination {-lu'meH} elsewhere:
jonlu'meH wo'maj pop tIn law' Hoch tIn puS
Our Empire's highest bounty has been placed on his head. (ST5 notes)
SepmeyDaq Sovbe'lu'bogh lenglu'meH He ghoSlu'bogh retlhDaq 'oHtaH
[(It is) next to the route one follows to travel to the unknown
regions of the universe.] (S99)
HaDlu'meH, QuSlu'meH, SuDlu'meH lojmIt Da logh Hop Hut tengchaH.
vaj loghDaq lenglaHtaH Humanpu'
space station Deep Space Nine is the gateway for the exploration,
intrigue and enterprise that mark the continuation of the human
adventure into space... (S99)
SuvwI' vI' Dub naQvam 'ej ray' HopDaq bachlu'meH chuqna' ghurmoH
naQvam
This serves to steady the aim of a warrior and increase the
effective range for distance targeting. (S14)
tlhIngan juHqo'Daq tlhIng yoSDaq 'oH toQDuj chenmoHlu'meH Daq wa'DIch'e'
1st Construction Site: The Kling District, Klingon Home World. (KBOP)
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Voragh
Canon Master of the Klingons