tlhIngan-Hol Archive: Wed Jan 06 20:15:05 2010
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RE: qoSwIj
> Voragh:
> >> > DaHjaj'e' 'oH qoSwIj 'e' }}:-)
> >>
> >> DaHjaj 'oH qoswIj'e'.
> >> DaHjaj 'oHbej qoswIj'e'!
> >> DaHjaj 'oHqu' qoswIj'e'!!
> >> DaHjaj 'oHbejqu' qoswIj'e'!!!
> >>
> >> If you're not comfortable adding suffixes to a pronoun,
> use the verb
> >> {lop} "celebrate":
> >>
> >> DaHjaj qoSwIj vIlopbejqu'!!!
>
> Seruq/DloraH:
> >Or we can get rid of the "to be".
> > DaHjaj qaS qoSwIj.
> >And then you COULD emphasis with -'e', or use the verb suffixes you
> >listed above.
>
> I considered {qaS} too. Do birthdays just "occur, happen" in
> Klingon? We've no idea how to talk about birthdays as Okrand
> has never used {qoS} in a Klingon sentence - or, for that
> matter, the nouns {yupma'}, {lopno'}, {lop}, or {QI'lop}.
> (Can anyone think of any other festival/party-like occasions
> or holidays I can look up in my notes?)
>
> In his English comments Okrand has mentioned "celebrating" a
> {lopno'} and the Kot'baval Festival {yupma'}. We know that
> Klingons {lop} "observe, celebrate (a ritual)" the {Heghtay}:
>
> Heghtay lulop latlh tlhInganpu'. Heghtay luloptaHvIS chaH
> chaq bey SeQ lujach
> other Klingons may perform a ceremonial howl or yell as
> part of the Klingon death ritual. S31
>
> and the {nentay}:
>
> nentay loptaHvIS tlhIngan potlh tlhIngan 'oy'naQ'e'
> The Klingon Painstik is an important part of a Klingon's
> Age of Ascension ceremony. S32
>
> Also, the person undergoing the {nentay} is termed the
> {lopwI'} "initiate" (literally "celebrant"):
>
> poSDaq nIHDaq je QamtaHvIS SuvwI'pu', chaH jojDaq yItnIS lopwI'
> The initiate must pass through a gauntlet of warriors. S9
>
> though s/he can also be called {SIQwI'} "recipient" (lit.
> "one who endures [pain]"):
>
> SIQwI' lu'oy'moHmeH juppu'Daj 'oy'naQmey lo' chaH
> The Painstik is employed by friends of the recipient... S32
>
> --
> Voragh
> Canon Master of the Klingons
In OUR western culture mindset, young people could say /DaHjaj qoSwIj vIlop/ and older people could
say /DaHjaj qoSwIj vISIQ/. There was an episode where it was Worf's birthday. He didn't seem to
celebrate it; he seemed to simply endure it. But he is not always like the other klingons, being
raised by humans and all. What other cultural / non-language clues do we have from the series?
DloraH