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RE: Measurments
- From: Steven Boozer <[email protected]>
- Subject: RE: Measurments
- Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 09:23:39 -0500
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- Thread-topic: Measurments
naHQun:
>> Which units of measure do we have exact Terran equivelants for,
>> and what are they?
Voragh:
> The four units of linear measure I know of are:
> {'uj} *uj* (unit of measure, about 35 cm.)
> {'uj'a'} (unit of measure, about 3.15 m.)
> {qelI'qam} *kellicam* (unit of measure roughly equal to 2 km. [STE])
> {loghqam} (unit of measure, 1.25 light years)
> Only one unit of volume is known:
> {tlho'ren} (unit of volume "in the quart/liter range")
>
>FYI DloraH has a web page comparing {'ujmey} to centimeters and inches:
> https://65.13.120.12/tlhIngan/cheb-uj.htm
lay'tel SIvten:
>Here are the units I have:
>
>loghqam NWL-main BoP n unit of measure, 1.25 lightyears
>qelI'am NWL-main ? n kellicam
>'uj KGT n uj (unit of linear measure, about 35 centimeters)
>cheb NWL19971022 n unit weight approx. 5 pounds (2.25kg)
>cheb'a' NWL20020312 BoP n unit weight approx. 45-46.4 pounds
> (20.4-21.05kg) (9-9.28 {cheb})
>tlho'ren NWL19971022 n unit measure approx. one quart/liter
>DarSeq KGT n darsek, unit of currency
>Hogh TKD2K n week (Klingon)
>jar TKD2K n month (Klingon)
>DIS TKD2K n year (Klingon)
{lup} second (of time)
{tup} minute (of time)
{rep} hour (of time)
>None of the time periods is exactly equivalent to its English gloss.
>I have no value for <qelI'qam> or <DarSeq>.
Don't forget about the undefined {DeQ} "credit" for money.
I'd forgotten about the {cheb}. It's interesting that just as there's no smaller unit *{'ujHom}, there doesn't seem to be a *{chebHom}, or at least none that we know of. charghwI' asked Okrand about measurements on the old startrek.klingon list:
>From: Marc Okrand <...>
>Newsgroups: startrek.klingon
>Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999
>Subject: Re: Measurement question
>
>Will Martin wrote:
>> So, if an 'uj'a' is nine 'ujmey, is an 'ujHom a ninth of an 'uj?
>
>No. Unfortunately, it doesn't work that way.
>
>An 'uj is a unit of linear measurement, roughly 35 centimeters; an
>'uj'a', or "big uj" ('uj plus the augmentative suffix -'a' "big") is
>nine times as long, or nine ujes, somewhat over three meters.
>
>The Klingon measurement system is more like the British and American
>system in that the names of the units, for the most part, have nothing to
>do with each other (inch, foot, yard, mile, and so on). This differs from
>the metric system, where the names are basic units modified by a set of
>prefixes (meter, millimeter, centimeter, kilometer, etc.).
>
>Thus the existence of a unit known as a "big uj" ('uj'a') does not mean
>there's a mathematically related diminutive counterpart (a "little uj," or
>'ujHom)
>
>Maltz did say, however, that he'd heard the term 'ujHom used in a story
>about a merchant lacking honor, something about the merchant not filling
>the order properly.
Okrand also wrote on st.k (10/22/1997):
"We don't know a whole lot about Klingon weights and measures, but
here's a little more information that may be helpful. [...]
I'll have to do some more digging to find out about area."
AFAIK he never provided any further information about area measurements.
naHQun:
>> And then we have DloraH's chart which brings us to three.
BTW DloraH has another web page comparing {chebmey} to kilograms and pounds:
https://65.13.120.12/tlhIngan/cheb-uj.htm
>> So it seems that we have ONE exact conversion: loghqam.
>> Well that's better than none, I guess.
If you want EXACT equivalents to Terran units, we have a few examples (I'll let you do the math):
{cheb'a'}:
wejvatlh SochmaH vagh SaD cheb'a'mey ngI' Duj
Mass: 8.7 KT. KBOP
{loghqam}:
jabbI'ID pup: Qapchu'meH 'aqroS chuq: cha' vI' chorgh loghqammey
High Resolution - Maximum Effective Range - 3.5 Light Years. KBOP
jabbI'ID pupHa': Qapchu'meH chuq: chorgh vI' chorgh loghqammey
Medium to Low Resolution - Effective Range - 11 Light Years. KBOP
{'uj}:
wej 'ujmey 'ab 'oy'naQ
Painstiks are a little over one meter long S32
jav 'ujmey 'ab SuvwI'
the warrior has a length of six ujs (about 6'10") (st.k 10/22/97)
vagh 'ujmey vI'ab
I have a length of five ujs,
I'm five ujs tall (about 5'8"). (st.k 10/22/97)
wejvatlh loSmaH loS vI' vagh wej 'uj 'aD Duj
Length: 120 M. KBOP
loSmaH jav vI' Soch loS 'uj 'ab meH
Bridge Height: 16.28 M. KBOP
HIvtaHvIS toQDuj cha'vatlh wejmaH Soch vI' vagh chorgh 'uj 'ab 'oH
Attack Formation Height: 82.75 M. KBOP
qughtaHvIS toQDuj HutmaH vI' jav wa' 'uj 'ab 'oH
Cruise Formation Height: 31.56 M. KBOP
SaqtaHvIS toQDuj wa'vatlh loS vI' jav chorgh 'uj 'ab 'oH
Landing Formation Height: 36.46 M. KBOP
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Voragh
Canon Master of the Klingons