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Re: Giving and taking

Steven Boozer ([email protected])



Aaron Lewis:
> > I wonder if these sentences are right.  I want to be sure that I understand
> > "giving to", "taking from", "lending to", "borrowing from" and so on of.
> >
> >   puqvaD nIm vInob "I give the milk to the child"
> >   jIHvaD naH Danob "You give the fruit to me"
> >   SoHvo' jengva' vItlhap "I take the dish from you"
> >   vIngIp vIneH "I want to borrow it"
> >   SoHvo' vIngIp vIneH "I want to borrow it from you"
> >   jIHvaD Danojqang'a' "Are you willing to lend it to me?"

ter'eS:
>Some of those words have never been used in canon (eg.
>{noj}), but I would accept all your sentences as
>valid.
>
>This might be a fun place to mention the "prefix
>trick": if the subject and the beneficiary (the noun
>with {-vaD}) of a verb are first or second person, and
>the object of the verb is 3rd person, you can use the
>verb prefix appropriate to the beneficiary _as if_ it
>were the object. The only one of your sentences that
>would qualify is {jIHvaD naH Danob}.  Using the prefix
>trick, this could be written {naH chonob} with the
>same meaning.

Some examples from canon:

   ro'qegh'Iwchab HInob.
   Give me the rokeg blood pie. (PK)

   vaghSaD DeQ HInob!
   Give me 5,000 credits!  (PK)

   tIqwIj Sa'angnIS.
   I must show you my heart. (TKW)

   ghIchwIj DabochmoHchugh ghIchlIj qanob.
   If you shine my nose, I will give you your nose. (PK)

   cha'puj vIngevmeH chaw' HInobneS.
   Give me a permit to sell dilithium, your Honor. (PK)

>Note that you can't use this with 3rd person subjects
>or beneficiaries, or 1st or 2nd person objects,
>because the verb prefixes would be too ambiguous.

For more on the "prefix trick" in Klingon see 
</wiki/index.php?verb%20prefix%20trick>/wiki/index.php?verb%20prefix%20trick 
.



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Voragh
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