tlhIngan-Hol Archive: Thu Dec 28 22:20:22 2006
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Re: tlhach mu'mey: HolQeD
- From: "QeS 'utlh" <[email protected]>
- Subject: Re: tlhach mu'mey: HolQeD
- Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 16:18:49 +1000
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jIghItlhpu', jIja':
>{-mo'} and {-vaD} are a little more difficult; for the latter, "one who
>benefits" would be suitable, but there's no Klingon word for "to
>benefit".
mujang Doq, ja':
>DochvaD nuvvaD ghap
This is not helpful for a couple of reasons:
1) {DochvaD} and {nuvvaD} can't be used as the subject or direct object of a
sentence. What we want is a word or phrase that describes the beneficiary so
that we can talk about it in sentences like "The beneficiary is marked by
the suffix {-vaD}". We can't say *{mojaq <-vaD> lo' DochvaD}.
2) It's useless to use the suffix in the definition of a noun that carries
that suffix. It's like defining the English word "pollution" as "a state or
act of pollution".
jIghItlhtaH, jIja':
>I'm also tempted to use {vangwI'} "actor" for the subject of a sentence,
>but we then run into the problem of adjectival verbs, in
>which the subject isn't really acting, but simply *being*. Maybe
>?{DawI'} would be better for the subject of an adjectival verb?
mujang Doq, ja':
>tlhIngan mu'tlhegh motlh vIpoj:
>DIpvaD DoSDIp Delwot wot pengDIp Delwot.
Try not to make your own compound nouns; noun-noun constructions ({DoS DIp}
"the target noun", {peng DIp} "the torpedo noun") are perfectly sufficient
for the purpose you're after. Secondly, it's important not to use verbs in
noun-noun constructions: {Del} is a verb "to describe", not a noun
*"description". {Delbogh wot} is far better than *{Delwot}.
Aside from that, while *{pengDIp} for "subject" seems like a logical
continuation of the theme introduced by using {DoS} as the word for
"object", I think it's a little too cute. What about intransitive verbs like
{Qong}? Is it useful to describe a verb as having a *{pengDIp} when it
doesn't have a {DoS} it's shooting at?
>ghaytan yaj Hoch.
chaq yaj Hoch. 'ach pab lulobHa'. Hol'e' potlhqu' pab.
QeS 'utlh
tlhIngan Hol yejHaD pabpo' / Grammarian of the Klingon Language Institute
not nItoj Hemey ngo' juppu' ngo' je
(Old roads and old friends will never deceive you)
- Ubykh Hol vIttlhegh
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