Had another idea at work today to express "until" How about : X 'e' mevDI' or X 'e' mevchugh As in {SIS 'e' mevDI', mamejlaH} "We can leave as soon as it stops raining" is close to "We can't leave until it stops raining". (IMO) --ngabwI' HovpoH juHDaq: http://web.tampabay.rr.com/ngabwi/ HovpoH 700511.5