tlhIngan-Hol Archive: Wed Nov 13 09:52:47 2002
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Re: Third sentence from Qov's sentences
Gina's apparently become confused by all the hints. Let me see if I can help.
Gina wrote:
> >>>>> This very clever so-called "beginner" makes me very happy.
> >>>> I am made happy by this very clever so-called beginner.
> >>>> muQuchmoH valqu' (beginner)qoq
> >> Qov wrote:
> >>> You missed translating the "very" on "very happy".
> >>> For beginner, have a look at Klingon words meaning begin, start or be
> new.
>
>muQuchmoH valqu' taghwI'qoq
>
> > That puts a noun suffix (-qoq) on a verb (ghoj). For beginner, how about
> > taghwI' or chu'wI'? You've also mixed the word order around in this one.
No, {taghwI'qoq} "so-called beginner" is correct. {tagh} "begin" is a
verb, but once you add {-wI'} to the verb stem, it becomes a noun {taghwI'}
"beginner" and can then take any noun suffix. E.g. {taghwI'pu'}
"beginners", {taghwI'vam} "this beginner", {taghwI'qoq} "so-called
beginner", {taghwI'qoqvam} "this so-called beginner", etc.
ghItlh Quvar:
> > If a verb expressing a quality acts as a verb ("the beginner is clever"),
> > then it comes where all verbs come. When it is used as an adjective
> > ("the clever beginner") it "can be used immediately following a noun
> > to modify that noun". (TKD 4.4 Adjectives)
>
>muQuchmoH val taghwI'qu'qoq
Once you add {-wI'} to the verb, it becomes a noun and can no longer take
the verb suffixes. In other words, you can't add the verb suffix {-qu'} to
the noun {taghwI'} "beginner"; put it on the verb quality "val". Also, the
word order is still wrong: Qualities follow the nouns they modify.
Let's do this step by step:
tagh
he/she begins
taghwI'
(the) beginner
taghwI' val
the clever beginner
taghwI'vam val
this clever beginner
taghwI'vam valqu'
this very clever beginner
taghwI'qoq
the so-called beginner
taghwI'qoq val
the clever so-called beginner
taghwI'qoqvam val
this clever so-called beginner
taghwI'qoqvam valqu'
this very clever so-called beginner
Now that you have the complete subject, let's add the main verb {muQuchmoH}
"he/she makes me happy":
muQuchmoH taghwI'qoqvam valqu'
this very clever so-called beginner makes me happy
Next, let's add another {-qu'}:
muQuchmoHqu'
she/he makes me very happy
And finally putting this all together, we have:
muQuchmoHqu' taghwI'qoqvam valqu'
This very clever so-called beginner makes me very happy.
Gina, sooner than you think, you'll be doing all this in your head. It
takes a while for this to sink in. You're making exceptional progress.
Qapla'!
--
Voragh "All the meaning is in the context."
Ca'Non Master of the Klingons (Ilya Kabakov, Russian artist)