tlhIngan-Hol Archive: Fri Apr 19 12:48:35 2002
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Re: tujpu'
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> {tujpu'} implies that at the time
> setting of the sentence, the heat is gone. It had been there, but now it
is not
> there.
Or, and this is a point I brought up before, the heat had been there, then
it was gone, and we're not really saying if it's there "now." After all,
it's possible that after /tujpu'/, /tujqa'/.
> Similarly, I'd expect that anyone who said {jIba'pu'} is no longer
> sitting, since this interpretation expands on the potential of clear
> expression. {ba'} has more expressive potential as a stative verb than as
a
> nonstative, nontransitive one.
This is an interesting suggestion. Is it your belief that /ba'/ would more
accurately be defined as "be sitting"?
This is a tough verb, since a sentence like "I sit" can mean either "I sit
down," or "I am sitting." The question here is, does /ba'/ mean "sit down"
or "be sitting"?
And if it means "be sitting," can it be used adjectivally? Can I use the
phrase */HoD ba'/ "the sitting captain" (somehow I don't think so)?
Notice how the phrase /quSDaq ba'lu''a'?/ seems to consider /ba'/ to mean
"be sitting." In the idiom /quSDaq bIba'/, however, there isn't only one
interpretation.
> My reason for believing this is a little different from anything anyone
has
> discussed yet. My belief is based upon the observation of the difference
> between Type 3 and Type 7 verb suffixes. Type 3 (-choH and -qa') suffixes
> relate to the beginning of an action or state while Type 7 relates to the
end.
[snip exhaustive list and interpretation]
Your doing this has given me an idea: draw a little timeline and indicate
current heat conditions, compared to time context, showing various things
like continuity and starting and stopping points. That's probably not a
very good description; when I have a chance to draw this up (and I may not
this weekend, as the I-CON convention starts today), I'll post a link.
SuStel
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