tlhIngan-Hol Archive: Thu Feb 01 02:18:32 2001
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RE: QQ13
- From: "De'vID" <[email protected]>
- Subject: RE: QQ13
- Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 05:18:06 -0500
- Importance: Normal
ghaHbe'wI':
> 'ach DaH vImaqnIS: <<pagh Qagh tu'lu'>>.
> 'ej vImaq je: <<mupIlmoH mIw'e' lo'bogh De'vID. 'ey.>>.
qatlho'. choquvmoH.
> 'op qech vIQumqang:
>
> 1- *Hidden Dragon* mughmeH De'vID, <<lung So'lu'bogh>> lo' ghaH.
> lughlaw' <<So''eghta'bogh lung>>, qar'a'.
lugh cha'. "a dragon that one has hidden" 'oS <<lung So'lu'bogh>>.
"a dragon that hides (itself)" 'oS <<So''eghta'bogh lung>>.
"hidden dragon" 'oS je cha'.
As ghunchu'wI' observed, <<So''eghta'bogh lung>> is "a dragon that
hides". A "hidden dragon" could be that, or it could be a dragon
that is hidden -- by something or someone else. Actually the
Chinese title is more subtle. The word used for "hide/hidden" is
also the word for treasure (i.e. the word has the connotation of
hidden treasure). Furthermore, the Chinese name for one of the
characters (I won't say which so as not to give too much away!) has
the character for "dragon" in it. My choice of the translation
was quite deliberate.
> 3- latlh mu'tlhegh'e' qonbogh De'vID:
> <<jupDajvaD Te joHvaD nob 'e' wuq>>.
> naDev *apposition* tu'lu'law'. (The Grammarian's Desk, pag. 58).
> chaq nIv mu'tlheghvam:
> <<Te joH, jupDajvaD nob 'e' wuq>>. ngeDqu'.
> De'vID, nuq vuDlIj.
I'm not sure we have clear canon examples of how apposition works
when you add things like {-vaD}. You might be right, and I would
certainly understand what you wrote. The example used in "The
Grammarian's Desk" is {naDev juHlIjDaq} - but we don't know if
the {-Daq} ({-vaD}, etc.) goes on both nouns when there is
apposition, since {naDev} happens to be one of those words that
never take a {-Daq}.
> 4- latlh mu'tlhegh Daj:
> <<Shu LienvaD nong Li Mu Bai 'ej Li Mu BaivaD nong Shu Lien je>>.
> {...vaD nong} lo' vay' 'e' not vIlegh, qoj not (noun-vaD stative
> verb) je, 'ach lughlaw'.
ghunchu'wI' gave an example, {Qu'vaD lI'}, which is also the
only one I can think of.
--
De'vID
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