tlhIngan-Hol Archive: Sun Jul 16 22:22:54 2000
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Re: Deixis and direction
>You
> and ghunchu'wI' have certainly not explained what the single grammatical
> function is for header nouns. The only thing they really have in common is
> position in the sentence.
> I've looked seriously at the idea and I honestly don't see any substance
in
> it. Please explain to me what "the" grammatical function is of header
nouns
> in a Klingon sentence. You have not done that even once,
ARRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!! YES WE HAVE!! OVER AND OVER!!!!!!!!
LISTEN TO SOMEONE OTHER THAN YOURSELF!!!!!
Header nouns take the grammatical role of "everything that's not an object
or a subject." That's their grammatical role!!!!! THAT IS THEIR GRAMMATICAL
FUNCTION!!!!! I don't give a hoot whether this is a grammatical function in
English! It is one in Klingon!
And no, I'm NOT going to clarify that with "I think." I've been doing that
ad nauseum. I'm sick of it. Tough.
> You are determined to make this political and competitive. I'm not trying
to
> win. I'm trying to get us to agree on some basic truths about the language
This is the single most ridiculous thing I have ever heard you say. Of
course you are trying to win. You are trying to get me to agree with YOUR
basic truths about the language. You don't see it that way. As far as
you're concerned, since you ARE right, you therefore MUST speaking the
truth, and therefore I should naturally agree with it. Because YOU are
incapable of understanding it, it MUST be untrue. Any non-agreement totally
bewilders you. After all, why would anyone believe anything that isn't
true?
All you had to say was, "I disagree, and here's why." But no, you always
add "And therefore, because you really said this, you're totally wrong."
Drop this from your normal behavior, and life will improve.
I was not trying to be political and competitive. I originally threw this
out, saying it was a suggestion for consideration, and disagreement need not
be voiced, since it was just something to think about and I didn't want to
make a big deal about it. Some people liked it, some didn't. Everyone was
happy. But you love to be political and competitive. You do it constantly.
When someone disagrees with you, you slap them down until they shut up. And
when people give up or run away from discussion, you figure that's because
you must have been right all along. Finally, you go running to Okrand when
you get the chance, ask him pointed questions which he doesn't realize will
have particular repercussions because you didn't explain those possible
repercussions to him, which was your whole idea, 'cause you want it your
way. Lucky for the rest of us he takes some time to ponder these questions,
or else everything would have been created by you.
I am utterly disgusted with this. I don't give a damn who thinks badly of
me for losing my temper. I've put up with more garbage from you in the name
of good manners than anyone should have to deal with, and I'm sick of it.
"He thinks he's losing, and he's throwing a tantrum." Go ahead and think
that; I don't care WHAT you think. So let's just say that this post was
written and sent entirely in the spirit of a temper tantrum. I think I've
earned it.
I hope the rest of you enjoy your stay on the charghwI' Hol mailing list.
Any time you have a question, direct it to him, because he governs what's
allowed to be thought on the list. You'll be happy to know that after this
message it should once again become a place where everybody is friendly and
happy: the sort of friendliness and happiness one finds at gunpoint. And do
let me know what his boots taste like; I never bowed before him. I'm not
coming back as long as this jerk is here, and if you really think I'm the
jerk, then you'll be pleased to see me go anyway. Go ahead and talk about
how evil and horrible I am. You'll get it out of your system, and I won't
know about it. Everyone wins.
reH lugh charghwI'. After all, Okrand said so himself.
Have fun at jury duty, charghwI'.