tlhIngan-Hol Archive: Sat Jul 15 11:12:27 2000
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RE: Raise Your betleH to the Stars.....
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Eric Andeen [mailto:[email protected]]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2000 3:17 PM
> To: '[email protected]'
> Subject: RE: Raise Your betleH to the Stars.....
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> quljIb:
> > <<Hovmey lurghvaD betleHraj yIpep>> 'oH mu'tlhegh lurgh.
> > net Sov Hoch.
>
> > What I meant to say:
> > <<Hovmey lurgh(vaD) beteHraj yIpep>> 'oH mu'tlhegh.
> > The <net Sov Hoch> was meant to convey "Everyone knows that!"
> > (I was being slightly sarcastic with that one.)
>
> <net> is used when the subject of the verb which follows is indefinite, so
> <Hoch> doesn't fit here. Use either just <net Sov> or <'e' Sov Hoch>.
>
> ghunchu'wI':
> > While the phrase in <<..>> marks is grammatically acceptable, I disagree
> > completely with using {-vaD} here, and {betleHraj yIpep} is a bit odd.
> > You're commanding whoever you're addressing to raise a single
> betleH which
> > belongs to multiple people. Saying either {betleHraj tIpep} or
> {betleHlIj
> > yIpep} works better in my brain.
>
> quljIb:
> > *sigh* "...Unlike English, however, the lack of specific suffix
> > for plural does not mean that the noun [i.e., <betleH>] is singular.
> > In Klingon, a noun without a plural suffix may still refer to more
> > than one entity. The plurality is indicated by a pronoun, whether
> > a verb prefix or a full word, or by context." If I'd wanted to
> > write <betleHlIj>, I'd have written <betleHlIj>.
>
> Look at the quote you used: "plurality is indicated by a pronoun,
> whether a
> verb prefix or a full word, ...". You have used a prefix - <yI-> - which
> indicates a singular object. If you meant plural, then the proper prefix
> would be <tI->, not. If you really did mean "All of you, raise
> your single,
> collective betleH", then <betleHraj yIpep> is fine. Otherwise, it's
> <betleHlIj tIpep>.
Ummm. I hate to point this out, so I won't. You can just look at it again
and correct yourself after thinking about how many people own the betleHmey.
> pagh
> Beginners' Grammarian
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