tlhIngan-Hol Archive: Sat Feb 19 12:13:27 2000
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Re: cha'DIch vInId
- From: "William H. Martin" <[email protected]>
- Subject: Re: cha'DIch vInId
- Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 15:20:21 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time)
- In-Reply-To: <[email protected]>
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On Fri, 18 Feb 2000 22:46:08 -0600 [email protected] wrote:
> jatlh pagh: "Qu'lij yIDel"
> vengjonwI' jIH
> lengHemey vInab 'ej vIchenmoH
leng Hemey DachenmoH'a'? DaboQlu''a'? bIvumqu'ba'.
> qachmey toy'meH bIQ vIngeH
bIDoy''a'?
> qachmey joch qul. qachmey vIQan
qachmeyvaD joch qul. joch qachqul. qachqul Dabot'a'? not
DaleSlaH. reH DabejnIS.
chaq qach botbogh pat'e' DawIv 'ej Dawuq.
> veQ vIteq
reH DavumnIS! chaq veQ teqlu'meH nabmey Da'ogh. veQ luteq
latlhpu' 'e' Dachaw'nIS.
> vengmey QIH SoDmey. vengmey Qan lam qachmey 'e' vIchenmoH
Danab. DachenmoHbe'. lam qachmey chenmoH latlhpu' law'.
> bIQtIqmey vISeH
'e' vIHub. bIQtIqmey SIghbogh pat'e' Danab neH. reH SoDlaH
bIQtIq.
> 'ejDo'mey vInabbe'. Qu'vam vImaS 'ach vIta'be'
> tayqeq ta'qangqu' vay'
nuqjatlh? "Someone is WILLING to accomplish civilization."?
> jatlh pagh: "Qu'lij yIDel"
> pagh said "describe your job"
>
> vengjonwI' jIH
> I am a city-engineer (civil engineer)
>
> lengHemey vInab 'ej vIchenmoH
> I plan and build routes for voyages
> (plan = design)
> (routes for voyages = roads)
> (I don't specifically say design or build in the next few sentences.
> Is it implied by context or must it be said?)
>
> qachmey toy'meH bIQ vIngeH
> I send water to serve buildings
> (I design/build watermains)
>
> qachmey joch qul. qachmey vIQan
> Fire harms buildings. I protect buildings.
> (I design/build fire protection systems.)
>
> veQ vIteq
> I remove garbage. (euphemistic)
> (I actually design/build sewer systems, but no self-respecting
> Klingon would say "puchpa'mey vISay'moH", which is the closest I could
> manage)
>
> vengmey QIH SoDmey. vengmey Qan lam qachmey 'e' vIchenmoH
> Floods damage cities. Dirt structures protect cities and I build
> them.
> (I design/build dams and dykes for flood protection works)
>
> bIQtIqmey vISeH
> I control rivers
> (I design/build river control works)
>
> 'ejDo'mey vInabbe'. Qu'vam vImaS 'ach vIta'be'
> I do not plan (design) starships. I would prefer to do so but I do
> not
> (would "'ejDo'mey vInabbe' 'ach Qu'vam vImas" work better?)
Yes, to my ear, anyway.
> tayqeq ta'qangqu' vay'
> Someone must be willing to accomplish civilization
> (Someone has to keep the place running)
> (I really like this last line, particularly qu' as must. Am I
> completely off-base or is there hope for me?)
tayqeq leHqanglu' net poQ.
bong chenchugh veng chenHa'bej. veng'a' nabnISlu'. veng
vInab. potlh Qu'vam.
> Incidentally, I now notice,
> would: tayqeqjonwI'
> instead of: vengjonwI'
> be better for civil engineer?
Definitely not. I think you take your job entirely too
seriously if you believe that you engineer civilization.
There is a lot to civilization that you don't even scratch.
You design cities. Likely, you only get to design systems
within cities that already exist. You review existing
systems and decide what needs to be maintained and what
needs to be replaced, and what new systems would enhance
the living experience within the available resources of the
city.
Unless you start with a big, empty field, design all the
buildings, roads, water systems, garbage collection,
schools, churches and decide what gets taught in all the
schools and universities, control censorship of all
communications, provide all entertainment and educational
media, coddle and influence all artists and politicians,
control the courts and the jails, etc. you definitely do
not engineer civilization
> HarnIS
charghwI' 'utlh