tlhIngan-Hol Archive: Thu Mar 18 19:36:50 1999
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Re: Aspect
ja' peHruS:
>In a message dated 3/17/1999 12:50:43 AM US Mountain Standard Time,
>[email protected] writes:
>
><< mISmoH neH mu'meyqoqvam. Hov leng cham chatlh rur.
> Dapvam vISaHbe'. tlhIngan Hol wIqeltaHvIS, potlh pab QIjbogh TKD neH. >>
chay'?! bImISba'. mu'meyvam Daqonta'be' SoH. vIqonta' jIH'e'.
>peqIm! Dap 'oHbe'bej. potlh pab QIjbogh TKD, 'ach pabvetlh mu'mey
>boyajchu'be'chugh, bolo'Ha'laH. SuyajmeH potlhqu' Sovvam 'angbogh HolQeD
>luqelbogh paqmey. loQ QIj TKD 'ach yapbe'.
Qo'! latlh Hal DabuSchugh, ghaytan yapHa'qu' Halvetlh.
All this talk of "imperfective" and "durative" and the like has
*absolutely* *nothing* to do with Klingon grammar. Focusing on
what standard linguistic texts have to say about English grammar
has obviously caused much more confusion than it has cleared up.
>mu' {perfective} mu' {aspect} je yajbe' ghunchu'wI' 'e' vIHar, vaj lo'Ha'.
wejpuH. mu'meyvam lo'bej TKD, 'ej TKD lo''e' vIyajchu'. lo'vetlh vIpab.
English HolQeD paq lo'Hey vISaHbe' jay'. "aspect" "perfective" je QIjchu'
TKD. yapbe' TKD mu'mey 'e' DaHar SoH neH...'ej bImujchu'.
>wanI'vam vIlughmoHmeH mu'meyvam vIQIjmeH latlh mungmey law' vIlI'. chaq tugh
>DIyaj Hoch.
chaq tugh wa' ngoD potlhqu' DayajchoH SoH: ramchu' mu'meyvam mung.
The Klingon Dictionary was explicitly *not* written for linguists. When it
uses an unfamiliar term like "aspect", it defines it for the reader. For
the purposes of Section 4.7, aspect is defined thus:
"...aspect: whether an action is completed or not yet completed,
and whether an action is a single event or a continuing one."
That's all it means. Bringing in Trask's commentary serves absolutely no
useful purpose for helping anyone understand aspect in Klingon grammar.
The simple single-sentence explanation in The Klingon Dictionary, along
with a few examples like {ghorgh tujchoHpu' bIQ}, is more than adequate.
-- ghunchu'wI'