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Re: KLBC challenge

On 30-Jun-99, William H. Martin wrote:
>On Tue, 29 Jun 1999 15:18:43 -0400 Jeremy Silver 
><> wrote:

>> On 29-Jun-99, William H. Martin wrote:
>> >Ask me a question. In Klingon. If you think this assignment is 
>> >too easy, then make it an inventive question. If you think this 
>> >is too hard, make it a simple one.
>> First to lay a little groundwork.
>> pa'DajDaq tlhIngan SuvwI'. 

> What does the Klingon warior DO in his room? 

pa'DajDaq ghaHtaH tlhIngan SuvwI'

>> lojmItDaq muplu' pagh wab chenmoHmeH lojmIt 'In chu'lu'.

>This is pretty good. It might be a little clearer if you dropped 
>the {-Daq} from the first word. One does not strike at the 
>door's location. One strikes the door. In English, you knock ON 
>the door, but you strike the door. Prepositions are implied in 
>some verbs toward their direct objects, especially when you 
>cross language barriers.

>> 'em lojmItDaq 'Iv leghlaHbe' SuvwI'.

>You were trying something really interesting here. 
> You aren't asking a question here, so 
>{'Iv} is not the right word.

'em lojmItDaq vay'bogh leghlaHbe' SuvwI'.
SoQmo' lojmIt 'em lojmItDaq pagh leghlaH SuvwI'.

>> The question.
>> nuq jach SuvwI'?
>> "yI'el", "pe'el", "'el" ghap jach'a'?

>nap. <<yI'el!>> lojmIt mup wa' ro' neH. latlh wIvHey tu'lu':

Simple. yI'el!  Only one fist strikes the door. There is another apparent

><<nuqneH!>> vaj ramchu' nuv mI'.
"What do you want" then the number of people is clearly trivial.

>> "yI'ngu''egh", "pe'ngu''egh", "ngu'" ghap jach'a'?

><<yIngu''egh!>> Hoch SuvwI'pu' DarI'be'chugh vaj Hoch SuvwI' 

"yIngu''egh"     If you dont hail all warriors then you can hail each warrior.

toH! DaH jIjaj.

>> "yIDuv wa' 'ej SoH ghovmojpu'" jach'a'?

>I don't understand the word {ghovmojpu'}. My guess is that it 
>should be {ghovmoHpu'}, but I don't understand what {-pu'} is 
>doing there, and with {SoH} in the object position, I strongly 
>suspect that we have a missing verb prefix.

I think the following is closer to what I intended:
"yIDuv wa' 'ej SoH bIghovlu'pu'" jach'a'

What I had in mind was the challenge used by Terran sentries "Advance one and
be recognised".

>Meanwhile, I'll point out a huge cultural presumption that you 
>are making here. I honestly think that if you knock on a 
>Klingon's door, he would probably look around and wonder what 
>the noise is. Are you nailing something to his door? Why are you 
>beating on the door? If you wanted to come in, why on Kronos 
>would you not just open the door and come in? You want my 
>PERMISSION to enter? How... how... how.... HUMAN of you! My 
>temptation is to pull out a disruptor and dispatch you through 
>the door. What an annoyance!

I do agree the use of knocking on doors is a presumption. I was under the
impression people barging in to a warriors quarters uninvited (e.g. if the
Warrior in question was a superior) would be similarly dispatched for not
showing the proper respect. Is this impression flawed?
Door chimes still appear to be in use (I seem to recall them mentioned in
KGT), but if it does not function, say, due to a disruptor accident, something
else may be needed. 
Might they try hailing the occupant through the door "Qapbe' lojmIt 'In." then
"jI'el vIneH" or "qajatlh vIneH" instead of knocking? 

>charghwI' 'utlh

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