Re: Sumchuq

[Steven Boozer <sboozer@midway.uchicago.edu>]

>
> But that would open the door for unrestrained speculation, which I don't
> think
> we know enough to support, and produce a chaos of forms which only the
> inventors could understand or accept.   Can we resolve this one example
> definitively and preclude all that?
>
> --jey'el


To further the discussion, here's what I have on {-chuq} "reciprocal" (Type 1):

 This suffix is used only with plural subjects. It is translated
 "each other" or "one another". The prefix set indicating "no 
 object" is also used when this suffix is used: {maqIpchuq} "we 
 hit each other", {SuqIpchuq} "you (plural) hit each other", 
 {qIpchuq} "they hit each other", {peqIpchuq} "hit each other"
 (TKD p.36)

 Since {-moH} is a Type 4 suffix, if a suffix of Type 1, 2, or 3
 is to be used (such as {-chuq} "each other" [Type 1] or {-nIS} 
 "need "[Type 2]), it would precede the Type 4 {-moH}; for example, 
 {pujchuqmoH} "they weaken each other"... (MO, Expert Forum 11/97)

 ja'chuqmeH rojHom neH jaghla' 
 The enemy commander wishes a truce (in order) to confer. TKD

 maja'chuqjaj? 
 Can we talk? PK

 'uQ wISoppu'DI' maja'chuq. 
 We will talk after dinner. PK

 ghobchuq loDnI'pu' 
 "The Brothers Battle One Another" 
 (i.e. name of the famous Kahless and Morath statuette) KCD

 Hay'chuq 
 They duel one another. KGT

 Hay'chuqchu' 
 They duel one another to the death. KGT

and {-'egh} "reflexive" (Type 1), "oneself":

 This suffix is used to indicate that the acton described by the 
 verb affects the performer of the action, the subject. It is 
 translated by English "self". When this suffix is used, the prefix 
 set indicating `no object' must also be used: {jIqIp'egh} "I hit 
 myself, {bIqIp'egh} "you hit yourself", {qIp'egh} "he/she hits 
 himself/herself". It is also possible to use this suffix with 
 imperative verbs. As with nonimperatives, the prefix indicating 
 "no object" must be used: {yIja''egh} "tell yourself!" {peja''egh} 
 "tell yourselves!" (TKD p.35) 

 Qaw''eghpu' 
 He destroyed himself. TKD

 HoH'egh 
 commit suicide (to kill oneself) TKD

 qIp'egh nachDu'chaj tlhIngan SuvwI'pu'. 
 Klingon warriors are butting heads.  CK

 Generally, when a verb describing a state of being (for example, 
 {tuj} [be hot]) is used in the imperative form, the suffixes {-'egh} 
 (reflexive suffix) and {-moH} (cause) are used as well..." (KGT p.117)

 For example, there is an entry for "commit suicide" just in case 
 anyone wants to look that word up; but the Klingon equivalent is 
 simply {HoH'egh}, literally "kill oneself" ... Maltz reports having 
 heard both {quv'eghmoH} "he/she honors him/herself", which follows the 
 expected order (verb-Type 1-Type 4) ... as well as the weird {quvmoH'egh} 
 "he/she honors him/herself", in which the Type 1 suffix {-'egh} "oneself" 
 follows the Type 4 suffix {-moH} "cause", an impossible formation unless 
 the speaker is considering the verb to be {quvmoH} "honor" and not 
 {quv} "be honored". Speakers who do this seem to be aware that they are 
 breaking the rules, so they are doing it for rhetorical effect... the 
 wisest course is to leave such things to the poets and keep {-moH} in 
 its Type 4 position." (MO, Expert Forum 11/97)

 not Hub'eghrupHa' lo'wI' 
 the user is never caught at a disadvantage. SP2

 'ang'eghQo' quv Hutlhbogh jagh neH ghobtaHvIS ghaH 
 Only an enemy without honor refuses to show himself in battle. TKW

 HaH'egh 
 soak oneself 
 [refers to "such activities as drinking a great deal, which has 
 positive connotations, and bathing, an occasional undertaking
 with negative connotations." (KGT p.91)

 yItuj'eghmoH 
 Heat yourself! ("Cause yourself to be hot!") KGT

 yItaD'eghmoH 
 Freeze yourself! ("Cause yourself to be frozen!") KGT

 qep'a' wejDIchDaq jatlhtaH tlhIngan Hol HaDwI'pu'. ghoHtaH je.
 tIv'eghtaH je. (MO to SuStel, MSN Expert Forum 11/96)



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Voragh                       
Ca'Non Master of the Klingons