tlhIngan-Hol Archive: Tue Feb 23 16:30:39 1999
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Re: Hoch
In a message dated 2/22/1999 11:50:41 AM US Mountain Standard Time,
[email protected] writes:
<< Meanwhile, I would not expect to say "The glass is full" by
saying {naQ HIvje'}. Instead, I would expect that to mean that
the glass didn't have any chips or chinks in it, so none of its
componants were missing. For the former meaning, I'd use {HIvje'
teblu'chu'pu'}.
Now, if these are acceptable meanings for {naQ} as a main verb,
why change the meaning while using it adjectivally. I know of
only one verb with this kind of change. {pegh} is very different
as a main verb than as an adjective. Meanwhile, I'm pretty sure
{pegh} is quite alone as an exception of this type and I'm not
looking forward to finding other such exceptions.
> Meanwhile, I feel that {QIm naQ yIlo'} means "Use the entire egg, not just
> part of it." My difficulty was in the connotation brought forth in English
> about a chemical substance being incomplete somehow. Even the Klingon word
> {HutlhHa'} seems preferable.
I simply disagree. "Be whole, be entire". Yes, it is a whole
egg, but not because it has the volume of an egg; because it has
all the componants that make an egg complete. It has a yolk. It
has a white. It has a shell. It is a whole egg. Here, the egg is
an entity; a composit, not just a unit of measure (despite its
treatment in cookbooks). >>
Agreeing with you so far.
Still, if I have a pie with apples, shortening, flour, etc., it is "complete"
to me. But, it does not have sugar, which [perhaps] you feel necessary for
the pie to be complete. For both of us, the pie has not yet been cut. {chab
pe'lu'be'} {vaj naQ chab}. With or without the sugar it is complete because
it has not been cut. Some of you (all of you except me?) claim that {naQ}
would not refer to the uncut pie because it is incomplete while it lacks
sugar.
No, I still think "be whole, be entire" refers to the uncut condition. No
piece is missing. Not even the fact that I eat pie without sugar does not
mean that I am eating an incomplete pie.
peHruS, back to {HutlhHa'}