tlhIngan-Hol Archive: Wed Jul 29 10:43:21 1998
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RE: KLBC - Adverbials
> DuraS tuq tlhIngan yejquv patlh luDub 'e' reH lunIDtaH DuraS be'nI'pu'
> lurSa' be'etor je.
> The sisters of the House of Duras, Lursa and B'Etor, are constantly
seeking
> a higher standing for the House of Duras within the Klingon High
Council.
>
> (I can only find this one example, though I seem to remember another.
Anyone
> else?)
My database of canon is hardly as comprehensive as yours, Voragh, but I did
not find any futher examples of {'e'} or {net} with adverbials. I did find
two interesting examples (both from TKW p125), though, not related to this
question:
yInlu'taH 'e' bajnISlu'
"Survival must be earned"
yay chavlu' 'e' bajnISlu'
"Victory must be earned"
Any good reason why these aren't {...net bajnIS}? Anyone? Anyone?
> {rut} would seem to belong in the clause it's modifying:
>
> rut puqHommey vIghIj 'e' vIparHa'.
> I like to sometimes scare the children.
>
> puqHommey vIghIj 'e' rut vIparHa'.
> I sometimes like to scare the children.
>
> A fine distinction, to be sure, but one Klingon is capable of making.
Yuck. I really don't like this. chaq jIvIng, 'ach wej vIlajrup.
> Perhaps the adverb is so placed because, in addition to being a pronoun,
> {'e'} serves the practical function of clearly separating the two clauses,
> which can be useful in long, complicated sentences. Also, if you place
the
> adverb before {'e'} -- puqHommey vIghIj rut 'e' vIparHa' -- it sounds as
> though {rut} is the subject of {ghIj}, particularly if you don't recognize
> the word.
Not to me, it doesn't. In fact, it sounds *SO* weird to me after the {'e'}
that I have a hard time parsing it. It's costing me at least a double-take.
I've never had a hard time with it before the {'e'}, since it was first
brought to my attention by Krankor in HolQeD (was that 1:1, 1:2?).
> We may just have to accept this as idiomatic usage, in spite of
> the "illegal" position of the adverb *between* the verb and it's object.
When the canon so clearly violates our current understanding of grammar, I'd
seek clarification before coming to any conclusions.
> : Qov - Beginners' Grammarian
>
> Voragh
--Holtej