tlhIngan-Hol Archive: Mon Jul 20 11:09:19 1998
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RE: qep'a'
- From: "Andeen, Eric" <[email protected]>
- Subject: RE: qep'a'
- Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1998 11:04:18 -0700
mujang charghwI':
>
> On Thu, 16 Jul 1998 18:26:41 -0700 (PDT) "Andeen, Eric"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > choSmo' [sic] qep'a', jISey'qu'ba', 'ach loQ jIbItchoH je. meqna'
> > vIngu'laHbe'.
>
> meqHey vIngu'laH. ghu'lIj choH wanI'vam.
> bIbItchoHmoH ghu'lIj choHbogh wanI''e'.
mu'tlheghvam vIyajchu'be'. <Du-> Dalo' 'e' DaHech'a'? jImIS.
> motlhHa'be'.
>
> > jIjatlhvIp'a'? ghobe' jay'!
>
> ba'. bIjatlhlaHchu'.
>
> > pupbe' QIchwIj 'e' vISov, 'ach vIyajlu' 'e'
> > vIpIH. qep'a'Daq vIDublaH. roD lugh pabwIj 'ej
> > ghIrqu'pu' mu'tay'wIj.
>
> nuqjatlh? ghIr'a' mu'tay'lIj? jIyajbe'.
ghay'cha'. <ghur> vIlo' 'e' vIHech.
> > jIjatlhlaHlaw'. jatlhDI' latlh, vIyajlaHlaw' je.
> > vInuSlu'be'ba'.
>
> SoH po' law' jIH po' puS. rejmorgh yIDaQo'!
teH'a'? vIHon. QIt bIjatlh, 'ach bIjatlhlaHchu'.
rejmorgh vIDabe'taH. mubItmoHbogh meq'e' vIqel neH. meq Dogh vIlajQo'.
> > nuvpu' vIghomvIpqa''a'? ghobe' jay'! naDev maja'chuq
> > 'ej maghoH 'ej maqon 'ej magher. maQum 'ej maSovchuqmoH.
>
> mumISmoH <<maSovchuqmoH>>. The {-chuq} makes the base verb
> reflexive, "We know each other", but the {-moH} makes it
> transitive. Is the transitive applied to the reflexive, or is
> the reflexive applied to the transitive? Do we cause each other
> to know (something), or do we cause (someone) to know each other.
>
> Which of the following is closer to your intended meaning:
>
> maSovchuqmeH maQum.
> maghojmeH maQum.
maSovchuqmeH maQum. It seemed natural to me when I wrote it, but after
your confusion and analysis, I do understand the problem.
> > wa'ben jatlhwI' law' vIqIH.
>
> bIDojta' je.
>
> > javleS maghomqa'. vIqawlu' 'e' vISov, 'ej HochHom
> > jeSwI'pu' vIghovbej. jup DImojpu'.
>
> HIja'. 'ej Qe' wIghoSDI' 'ej maSoppu'DI' *tip* vISIm vIneH,
> De'wI'HomwIj vIchu'qa'be'. qatIch vIneHbe'. mI' lugh vISuqmeH
> qatlhob neH.
reH SImrup SImwI''a'!
pagh