tlhIngan-Hol Archive: Tue Dec 08 15:50:29 1998
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Re: Fw: walls
- From: Marc Ruehlaender <[email protected]>
- Subject: Re: Fw: walls
- Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 17:50:26 CST
- In-reply-to: Your message of Tue, 08 Dec 1998 15:03:45 -0800
> > Do I have to believe you are right or do we have canon either way?
>
> I don't know the canon for sure... Hope voragh can help us out
> there. And you don't have to believe I'm right. It's just the
jIqID neH. :-)
> That's where your perspective differs from mine. You see
> noun-noun as elemental. I see it as molecular.
>
thinking about it a little more...
I see the first noun (phrase) as a modifier to the second.
but whether the number in {# N N} is part of the first noun phrase
or just another modifier to the second is ambiguous. (fine with me)
> Hmmm. Thinking more on it, I guess these different kinds of noun
> phrases can act as elements in each other.
>
wa' DoS wIqIp.
> Number + noun + adjective seems most elemental to me. I would
> not break up a number from the noun it is applied to. I would
..or noun phrase... and there's where I look at it differently
I guess.
> A black targ's bone:
>
> targh qIj Hom
>
> I'd never say it as {targh Hom qIj}. That would mean a targ's
> black bone.
>
jIQochbe'
> Meanwhile, if I mean a targ's black bone, I'd say:
>
> targh qIjbogh Hom
>
> I would not say:
>
> qIjbogh targh Hom
>
> See?
>
jIyajchu' 'ej jIQochbe'qa'
> to {raQ'e' Dabbogh qama' cha'} vs {cha' raQ'e' Dabbogh qamapu'}.
>
quite right, of course
> Basically, I consider where the rest of the noun phrase is
> functioning. For me, the number two is applied to camps, not to
> prisoners and placing it before the word {qama'} is applying it
> to the word for prisoners. Each noun in a noun-noun can be a
> noun phrase, so I don't have a problem with placing the number
> between the nouns.
>
I don't really have aproblem with it, it just never occurred to
me to do it that way.
probably, both ways are acceptable, depending on whether
the speaker considers the N-N phrase to be a strong unit
that she doesn't want to break apart or whether she wants
to emphasize the unit #+N...
chaqun a son gout..
Marc Ruehlaender
aka HomDoq
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