tlhIngan-Hol Archive: Fri Nov 14 10:02:00 1997
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Re: bIchuSchoHqu''a'
- From: "William H. Martin" <[email protected]>
- Subject: Re: bIchuSchoHqu''a'
- Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 13:01:21 -0500 (EST)
- In-Reply-To: <[email protected]> from "Kenneth Traft" at Nov 14, 97 04:52:56 am
Ken,
QInvam DachenmoHDI' *Subject*Daq neH tlhIngan mu'mey Dalo'ta'.
tlhIngan Hol Daqelbe' 'ej tlhIngan Hol Dalo'be'. lalDan Daqel
DaneHlaw' neH. Qu'vamvaD muj jabbI'IDghomvam.
The only Klingon text in your message was in the Subject
header. The message itself seemed far less relating to anything
remotely Klingon than a chance for you to share something
personal about your religious feelings. That's not quite
appropriate. I doubt that one will come to a greater
understanding of the Klingon language by reading CS Lewis. You
may come to understand many other things by this method, but
likely not the Klingon language. Please either use or discuss
the language here.
According to Kenneth Traft:
>
> I really had to put my two cents worth in (although be it late.) I think the
> use of "parmaq" for "agape" implys more the "intensity" necessary for the love
> of God. The study of "LOVE" and all it's facets "was" an all consuming
> obsession with me when I was "struggling" with my desire to be a priest (which
> I never became) and my "sexual nature".
>
> My conclusion was that love in it's many manafestations was an "imperfect"
> attempt at the divine love. The closest were "friendship", "romance", and
> "religious" love. These three were so close in my mind because of the
> "intensity" they required to be what they are. Love of priend, Love of
> Partner, and Love of God varied only in how one reacted to the other. A
> friendship can quicky become a "romance" (I believe this to be valid whether
> they are "male/female", "female/female", or "male/male".) Agape too has that
> intensity of the "romantic" love. Mysticism as best we can describe it uses
> "sexual" analogies. The Saints and Mystics had a LOVE with God that goes
> beyond the pitiful concept of "charity" or "caring". Of the words we have.
> "parmaq" would be the best choice at this point.
>
> I think this can be brought to home by reading C.S. Lewis' "The Four Loves".
> I see it as a "good" attempt to show this relationship, but being a bit more
> conservative Christian, he is biased in his "leap of faith".
>
> KEN
>
>