tlhIngan-Hol Archive: Sat Jun 21 15:29:17 1997
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RE: KLBC: proper use of {je}
- From: "David Trimboli" <[email protected]>
- Subject: RE: KLBC: proper use of {je}
- Date: Fri, 20 Jun 97 22:45:13 UT
[email protected] on behalf of [email protected] wrote:
> TKD 5.3. tells us "conjunctions joining nouns come after the final noun" and
> gives the example {DeS 'uS je} "an arm and a leg".
> This is fine when only two nouns are involved; but what if there are three
or
> more?
TKD merely says "after the final noun," which suggests to me it comes after a
series of two or more nouns. Otherwise, why didn't Okrand write "after the
second noun"?
Unfortunately, the only canon I can find which uses more than two nouns in a
conjunction is on the SkyBox copyright notice:
TM, R c. je
> What about :
> {vav loDnI' be'nal je} (punctuation intentionally omitted) : "father,
brother
> and wife"
> or "father and sister-in-law"?
Depending on how it's enunciated and on context, {vav loDnI' be'nal je} might
mean
father, brother, and wife
father's brother and wife
father and brother's wife
father's brother's wife
> I understand from TKD, {je} can only appear at the end of the enumeration ;
> something like {vav loDnI' je be'nal je} is not canon.
No, but I can certainly see a situation where a Klingon says {vav loDnI' je}
and then realizes he needs to add {be'nal} to that list, and hastily adds
{be'nal je}.
> should I rely
> on punctuation (not written in pIqaD) -- or, orally, in the scan of the
> sentence?
Each, in the appropriate medium. Commas are terribly useful while using
sentence conjunctions.
> BTW (i.e. no relationship to the above), {'u' che'wI'} is a nice Terran
> nickname,
> but not a good Klingon one.
jIQochbe'.
> As a cigarette addict, glottal stops are a pain to me.
toH! taQ! *cigarette*mey vIlo'be' vaj ghu'lIj vISovbe'.
> How would you say "borderline" in tlhingan Hol? "(language) borderliner"
> would
> fit me quite well, wouldn'it it? :-)
I'm not quite sure what you mean. {HeH} is "boundary." Although it probably
doesn't mean what you want it to, I think {HolHeH} sounds kinda neat for a
name . . . (who needs it to mean anything, anyway?)
--
SuStel
Beginners' Grammarian
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