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Tue, 23 May 1995, ghItlh qo'ran:

> chaq <<Qagh'a'>> 'oHnIS mu'vam'e'.  I meant for this to mean "big
> mistake," but I used the wrong suffix.  The full correction would
> be <<Qagh'a'vammo' tlhinganpu' qempa' chaH targhew'a'mey'e'
> wIHarlaHbe'bej.>>

{-'e'} Dachelpu' 'ach {'e'} Dateqpu'.  ratlhnIS {'e'}.
vaj:  Qagh'a'vammo' tlhInganpu' qempa' chaH targhew'a'mey'e' 'e' 
wIHarlaHbe'bej.

> >Did you mean to attach {-'e'} to the head noun of the relative
> >clause?
> 
> ghobe'.  Maybe I'm not getting the sentence-as-object
> construction correct.  I meant to have 'e' refer to everything in
> the sentence that preceded it.  Is this not right?

No, {'e'} is only used when there is a complete sentence preceeding the 
{'e'}.  {The Phage pongbogh Voyager lutHom} (the episode of Voyager which 
names the Phage) is not a complete sentence, it is a relative clause.  
Relative clauses are not complete sentences by themselves, they can 
function as the subject or object of the main verb as if they were a noun.  
(Sec. 6.2.3.)

You can use {-'e'} to mark the head noun of the relative clause to 
indicate whether {the Phage} or {Voyager lutHom} is the direct object of 
the main verb of the sentence.  E.g.

[The Phage] pongbogh [Voyager] lutHom'e' wInuDnIS.
(We need to examine the episode of Voyager which names the Phage.)

[The Phage]'e' pongbogh [Voyager] lutHom wInuDnIS.
(We need to examine the Phage which an episode of Voyager names.)

An the other hand, you may have intended to say:
[The Phage] ponglu'bogh [Voyager] lutHom wInuDnIS.
(We need to examine the episode of Voyager which is named The Phage.)

You don't need to mark the head noun of this relative clause because 
{[The Phage ponglu'bogh [Voyager] lutHom} is essentially a noun-noun-noun 
possessive construction and you can't put {-'e'} before the last noun in 
a construction of this type.  (Sec. 3.4.)  Anyways, {lutHom} is 
semantically functioning as the direct object of the main verb 
automatically so it doesn't need to be marked.

> <<SaD>>vaD <<vatlh>> yItam.  'ach <<loghDaq lulengpa' 'oH 'oghta'
> tera'nganpu'>> vIjatlhnISpu'.  mu'tlheghvam lugh law' wa'DIch
> lugh puS.

maj.

> Qagh 'oH <<janHomqu'>>'e'.  *very small devices* vIjatlhnIS.  In
> other words, I intended to say that the Federation is good at
> nanotechnology.  lughbe' <<-qu'>> 'ach lughlaw'be' <<-'a'>>. 
> Would <<janHom'a'>> mean "very small device"?

No, since {-Hom} and {-'a'} are both Type 1 suffixes, you can't use them 
simultaneously.

You could say {machqu'bogh jan} (a device which is very small).

> qo'ran

yoDtargh



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