tlhIngan-Hol Archive: Wed Sep 07 03:21:39 1994
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Re: The Big Word List
- From: [email protected] (David Barron)
- Subject: Re: The Big Word List
- Date: Wed, 7 Sep 1994 13:11:54 -0600 (MDT)
- In-Reply-To: <[email protected]> from "David E G Sturm" at Sep 7, 94 01:38:32 pm
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> Again, I must prefix that I won't make any comments that are included in
> the HolQeD article I have underway. I'll just make comments on what is
> not right with your analysis, Paul.
>
> On Tue, 6 Sep 1994, ...Paul wrote:
> > My math was off anyway. It's 2,541. :)
> It is still off. There are more monosyllables.
All the better to finish your article and send it in.
While I believe we were quite thurough in our analysis I am eager to
see/read contributions from anyone else whos ideas may differ.
>
> > As for "abnormal vowels" and "ending markers"... Those were just terms I
> > used to represent the trends in the language. You will never find in the
> > TKD a word that has a "consonant" after a vowel+w or vowel+y combination.
> > The only one you'll find is an apostrophe stress marker. Because of this,
> > I simply said that the vowel+w and vowel+y combinations were special, also
> [sic]
> It is not a good idea to invent "terms.. to represent the trends in the
> language" any more than creating new Klingon words. Of course, the Vw
> and Vy combinations are special since the vowels are affected somewhat.
> Although, TKD is more trying to give Terrans a comparison. It does not
> state that >ay< equates with the sound of English "eye". It is merely a
> guide. I leave it to experts in the area of the production of sounds to
> explain better.
Agreed. Changes have been made.>
> > There may still be some "bugs" in my grammar design; I skethed it up one
> > morning. The more I think about it, the more problems I end up with.
> > Oh, the other thing I wanted to say was that if you consider y and w to be
> > standard consonants when appearing after a vowel, you have the problem that
> > no other consonant could possibly have anything else AFTER it. In this
> > sense, the only two-consonant combinations possible are w', y', and rgh,
> > but rgh is just as easy to consider a special-case consonant. Also of note
> > is that there is no ow or uw in Klingon (stress or not), which kinda breaks
> > the combos from the normal mold.
>
> I'm not at all sure what you are talking about by "grammar design". How
> does this relate to the number of monosyllables?
I believe Paul was refering to Klingon phoneme sequences.
>
> As far as the possibilities of CVw', CVy' and CVrgh, various articles in
> HolQeD have described possible origins of these. Inasmuch as I might
> groan at your description of /'/ as an ending marker, I groan even louder
> at your terminology of /'/ as a stress marker. It's a consonant, a
> consonant, a consonant....
Noted and corrected. Thanks.
>
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>
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