ghItlhta' marqem: >ghojchoHwI' : person who is beginning to learn Oh, foo. I was just going to suggest this, too. {{;) Naturally, I agree: this is the BEST translation I have seen so far for "beginner". I am not a pabpo', though... Qanqoroy? ~markoy? --HoD trI'Qal tlhwD lIy So'