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Re: Compound Words & -ghach



tlha'bogh Doch jatlh Qumpin 'avrin:
: 
: 
: From: cleggp@rpi.edu
: 
: >['avrIn says: "chovghach" = "computer program(n)"]
ghobe'. \chovghach\ = <examination>. \ghunghach\ = <program>.

[...]
: >>I don't think there are rules for making arbitrary new compound words,
: >>so we have to stick to N-N constructions.
: 
: >Well, they're discussed in TKD 3.2.1, and although Okrand doesn't say that
: >you can't, he also does not imply in the least that you can't.  I think
: >most people would argue that you can.
: 
: Who is this "most people"? 
: 
: In general, the rule on this mailing list list seems not to have been
: "if Okrand doesn't forbid it, go ahead". It is "if Okrand doesn't say
: it's legit, don't do it". After all, Okrand doesn't say that "-ngang"
: is forbidden as a type 5 noun suffix meaning "with(accompanying)";
: we won't use it, even though it would be nice if we had such a suffix.
: 
[paragraph on >vi'< deleted]
: In a similar vein, the "discussion" in 3.2.1 boils down to "there are some
: nouns which are compound nouns". There is no discussion of how to
: produce new compounds, or what exactly new compounds would mean once
: made. Thus, on the list, we avoid doing so.
Do we? I see nothing wrong with making new compounds, since to my mind the
relevant passage in TKD implies (if not explicitly states -- I don't have TKD
here at the terminal) that N-N[-N[-N[...]]] compound words are a productive
class. It's always been my understanding that a N-N compound would mean much
the same as its components with spaces. Thus >ghunghachHol< would indeed mean
"programming language", >paqghitlhwi'< could mean "author", and so on.

: 
: Caveat: I am not one of the pabpo'pu' (note that "pabpo'" "grammarian"
: from "grammar-expert" was a wildcat compound that probably would not
: be made today), so if I am spouting off nonsense I would appreciate
: hearing so. 
As you'll see in the paragraph above, I'm not so sure >pabpo'< was a "wildcat
compound"....

: 
: -'avrIn
: 
: 

Qapla' Qichqengwi'vo' (btw, what does >'avrin< mean?)
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