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  • qurgh

    Administrator
    September 4, 2022 at 12:55 pm
    po'wI'

    There is no single noun for the word “anvil”. You’d have to come up with a description of what it it.

    baS mupmeH baS ngogh beQ
    A flat metal brick for hitting metal

    I’m sure there’s a better way to say it, this is just my first attempt.

  • khaaaaan

    Member
    September 4, 2022 at 6:09 pm
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    How did they forge their Bat’leths??? 😉

    E.g.

    INCUS is Latin for anvil, derived from CUDO which means “beat, pound, strike”, etc. So the implied meaning INCUS would be “that which is struck upon”.

    Certainly the Klingons of old had a similar way of forging metalwork?

    Is there a Klingon verb for “beat, pound, strike”?

    Is there a derivational morpheme meaning “that which pertains to”?

    I was under the impression that Okrand had fully developed Klingon to such an extent that pretty much any reasonable concept could be expressed.

    • enru

      Member
      September 8, 2022 at 9:03 am
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      The short answer is, we don’t have a word for anvil yet.
      We also don’t have an all-purpose derivational morpheme, though I doubt it would be absolutely clear that we could derive a word for ‘anvil’ this way.
      But we maintain a word wishlist for Dr. Okrand at https://www.kli.org/chabal
      Despite how much we can say with it, and despite the words that have been added over time, developing the language is an ongoing process.

      If you create an entry for the word “anvil”, I will wholeheartedly vote for it, since I find {mItlhwI’ mupmeH ngogh} “smith’s striking block” unsatisfactory.

      chabal

  • khaaaaan

    Member
    September 8, 2022 at 10:58 am
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    As a professional Linguist, but a newb to Klingon, I am disappointed in that Okrand’s reputation as the developer of Klingon seems a tad overbaked perhaps.

    Over on the Klingonska website, it lists a verb root “moq” as “beat (something with an implement).” which seems acceptable as a starting-point. What we need is a lexeme that analyses as

    √moq+[passive voice]+[derivational morpheme], i.e. “that which is beaten with an implement”, or “that which pertains to object being beaten with an implement”, etc.

    or some other deep-structural order which is acceptable.

    • enru

      Member
      September 10, 2022 at 6:39 am
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      Though a great many comprehensible neologisms can be formed phrasally, Klingon historically has a rich *agglutinative* morphology for nouns and verbs, and very little in the way of productive *derivational* morphology, though some patterns exist, like {-ngan} for ethnonyms, or {-QeD} for scientific disciplines.

      Despite these limitations, Klingon is basically *the* flagship artificial language associated with media entertainment, and after Esperanto the prime example that most people know about. So however Okrand’s reputation may have preceded him, his position in history is secure.

      I can’t find a word for “anvil” in Tolkien’s languages, or in Dothraki. Yet I wouldn’t consider either Tolkien or Peterson derelict in their duties. Artificial languages are by nature tailored to fit particular creative projects. When Marc wrote the dictionary in 1983 the vocabulary was even more limited than it is today, and he did not anticipate the substantial fan reaction that would follow.

      But we have ways of suggesting additions to the language now. If you’d like “anvil” added to the language, I support this idea, but keep in mind that a separate word for “anvil” would be more consistent with the language as we know it (Klingon lacks a passive voice).