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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Star Trek VI The Undiscovered Country Klingon Dialogue
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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-CA link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Insulting one another is a happy pastime in Klingon culture, but all I really wanted to do was to get you to use the word SoH in a statement, so you can call me anything you like. Tell me I’m a spaceship, if you like.<br><br>Actually practicing it is as important as knowing how to do it, when it comes to doing it again tomorrow after you’ve learned something else as well.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>- Qov<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> HoD qunnoQ [mailto:[email protected]] <br><b>Sent:</b> October 9, 2015 13:09<br><b>To:</b> Robyn Stewart<br><b>Cc:</b> tlhIngan Hol mailing list<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Star Trek VI The Undiscovered Country Klingon Dialogue<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>i would not like to insult you ; so lets begin again this conversation from a more interesting starting point..<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>HaqwI' jIH<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal>qunnoQ<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 10:24 PM, Robyn Stewart <<a href="mailto:[email protected]"; target="_blank">[email protected]</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>maj. (well done)<br><br>The “you” equivalent of jIH is SoH. SoH means “you” or “you are” just the way jIH means “I” or “I am”.<br><br>So to continue our conversation, I could agree with you, and say “Human SoH.”<br><br>But stating the obvious to make idle conversation would not be a very Klingon thing to do. Instead I’ll insult you and say Ha’DIbaH SoH, which means “You are a cur,” and would be quite Klingon. Insult me back, and then we’ll progress to another conversational tactic. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>(Other spectators who think they are light years from Klingon conversation are welcome to join in).</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>- Qov</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> HoD qunnoQ [mailto:<a href="mailto:[email protected]"; target="_blank">[email protected]</a>] <br><b>Sent:</b> October 9, 2015 11:20</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><br><b>To:</b> Robyn Stewart<br><b>Cc:</b> tlhIngan Hol mailing list<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Star Trek VI The Undiscovered Country Klingon Dialogue<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Human jIH <br><br>(I picked an easy one..)<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>qunnoQ<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 7:50 PM, Robyn Stewart <<a href="mailto:[email protected]"; target="_blank">[email protected]</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Not really. You’re within wa’ netlh qelI’qam (~20,000 km) of every Klingon speaker there is, and thanks to the internet you can communicate with all of us within microseconds. It takes very little Klingon to have a conversation, and once you have that first conversation, you will have established a beachhead from which to conquer the language.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Here’s the first thing I taught the beginners at qep’a’: how to say “I am a ____”. It is “____ jIH.”<br><br>jIH is a member of the chuvmey class of words. It acts as the prounoun “I” and also means “I am.”<br><br>tlhIngan jIH = I am a Klingon<br>‘orwI’ jIH = I am a pilot</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>tera’ngan jIH = I am an Earther<br><br>Look up a word (has to be a noun) that you are, and tell me you are that.<br><br>Instead of looking at the Klingon language as a massive challenge you have to be someone special to meet, or psyche yourself up to begin, just learn one thing at a time until qaSta’! You have learned it.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>- Qov</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> HoD qunnoQ [mailto:<a href="mailto:[email protected]"; target="_blank">[email protected]</a>] <br><b>Sent:</b> October 9, 2015 4:43<br><b>To:</b> Robyn Stewart<br><b>Cc:</b> tlhIngan Hol mailing list</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Star Trek VI The Undiscovered Country Klingon Dialogue<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'>><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Regardless, I will be delighted to converse with you in intelligibly-spoken Klingon, no matter what your spit range might be.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I would be delighted too,but unfortunately i'm light years away from being able to actually converse with someone in Klingon..</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>qunnoQ</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 1:16 AM, Robyn Stewart <<a href="mailto:[email protected]"; target="_blank">[email protected]</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Different languages _<i>are</i>_ spoken in different ways. Klingon does have to be spoken somewhat forcefully to distinguish between some of the raspy consonants. The rhythm of Italian helps to distinguish between doubled and single consonants. Russian declarative sentences are said with a kind of monotone, falling off at the end. If I were to speak Russian fluently and with the peppy little rises and falls of my native language, it wouldn’t sound right. I’m still weirded out by the instruction that it is incorrect to speak Cree with emotion in my voice, that the old western stereotype of the Indian guide saying “all my family die” in the same flat tone as “soon will rain” is based in truth. I had a Korean student who knew English quite well, with reasonable pronunciation but was really hard to understand because he used the rhythm of his own language. When I tried to get him to put longer pauses in so an examiner could understand, he protested that he didn’t want to sound stupid. This was before YouTube, so I had to get him to take my word for it that great speeches in English show that its skilled speakers SLOW DOWN to sound smart.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Speaking Klingon with the fluent rhythm of English is probably as wrong as speaking it with the rhythm of Italian or Japanese. The ‘native’ Klingon speakers we hear tend to speak in a staccato manner, yet Azetbur manages to do it without overly chewing the scenery. Perhaps it’s because of her gender, or is an affectation. Regardless, I will be delighted to converse with you in intelligibly-spoken Klingon, no matter what your spit range might be.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>- Qov</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> HoD qunnoQ [mailto:<a href="mailto:[email protected]"; target="_blank">[email protected]</a>] <br><b>Sent:</b> October 8, 2015 13:06<br><b>To:</b> Lieven<br><b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:[email protected]"; target="_blank">[email protected]</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Star Trek VI The Undiscovered Country Klingon Dialogue</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'>indeed.. if i ever managed to become proficient in Klingon,so as to speak it like i speak my native language,then this is the way i would like to speak it ; mildly and relaxed. i don't know why,but this manner of speaking appeals to me as more instinctive and natural.<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>qunnoQ<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>On Thu, Oct 8, 2015 at 9:46 PM, Lieven <<a href="mailto:[email protected]"; target="_blank">[email protected]</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Am 08.10.2015 um 17:54 schrieb HoD qunnoQ:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>nuqneH<br><br>i made this observation...<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><br>That's a very good observation, and it's more important than what most people would believe it to be.<br><br>Indeed, I guess it's simply the actor who speaks a bit differently than others. Perhabs it was even done intentional, because Azetbur was sad?<br>Maybe it's because she's a woman. I don't know, compare to Valkris or Uhura (although she's not klingon, so maybe she doesn't count)<br><br>Anyhow, I love showing this scene to my students because it makes clear that one can speak klingon in a very natural way, as opposed to what many people believe is that you need to shout and bark klingon all the time.<br><br>Klingon can be spoken like a natural language, and Azetbur has proven this quite well in that scene.<span style='color:#888888'><br><br><br>-- <br>Lieven L. 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