tlhIngan-Hol Archive: Tue Jan 20 09:54:40 2015
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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] tera' Hovtay'Daq PLUTO HurDaq bIHtaH'a' latlh yuQmey?
<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class="">I don’t think it’s very clear speech to stack modifiers in that style. We have clearer options:</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">cha’ yuQmey DItu’pu’be’bogh</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">If you really want to use {lath}, I’d go with {yuQmey’e’ cha’ latlh tu’lu’}.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">As for the other stuff you are asking about with {lath}, I think we are best served to remember that {latlh} is not an adjective in Klingon. It’s a noun. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I think we get confused sometimes by terms like {tlhIngan Hol} get translated as if it were [adjective noun]. It’s not [adjective noun]. It’s [possessor-noun possessed-noun]. A Klingon is a person. {tlhIngan Hol} is “a Klingon’s language”. We translate it as “the Klingon Language” because that’s how we say it in English, but {tlhIngan} is never an adjective. Neither is {latlh}.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">So, for “There are other Klingons here,” I’d be much happier with {tlhInganpu’’e’ naDev latlhpu’ tu’lu’} than with {naDev latlh tlhInganpu’ tu’lu’}.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I think that as a community, we’ve gotten sloppy with {latlh} because we want to use it like {tlhIngan} in {tlhIngan Hol} and treat it like an adjective in our translations without checking to make sure that it actually makes sense as a noun. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">It’s a noun. We can’t forget that inconvenient truth. The definition is “(noun) additional one, another one” and we keep wanting to eliminate the word “one” from it and use it to mean “(adjective) additional, another”.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I hope this trend doesn’t succeed and we start acquiring a new kind of chuvmey that precedes a noun and acts like an adjective. We already have {Hoch} being treated like this as often as not, and numbers, of course...</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">
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<br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jan 20, 2015, at 11:51 AM, Steven Boozer <<a href="mailto:[email protected]"; class="">[email protected]</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">“Two more planets in our Solar System, say astronomers”<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=""><a href="http://news.yahoo.com/two-more-planets-solar-system-astronomers-134043845.html"; style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">http://news.yahoo.com/two-more-planets-solar-system-astronomers-134043845.html</a><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">P.S. Hmm…. “two more planets”: ?{latlh cha’ yuQmey} or ?{cha’ latlh yuQmey}? <o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">{latlh} can refer to plural nouns – {latlh tlhInganpu’, latlhpu', Heghpu'bogh latlhpu’} – but I’ve never seen it used with a specific number.<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">--<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">Voragh<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class="">Ca'Non Master of the Klingons<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">_______________________________________________</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">Tlhingan-hol mailing list</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><a href="mailto:[email protected]"; style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class="">[email protected]</a><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=""><a href="http://mail.kli.org/mailman/listinfo/tlhingan-hol"; style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class="">http://mail.kli.org/mailman/listinfo/tlhingan-hol</a></div></blockquote></div><br class=""></body></html>_______________________________________________
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