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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Nonsense words

Robyn Stewart ([email protected]) [KLI Member] [Hol po'wI']



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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-CA link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>QaQ qechlIj, voragh.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Steven Boozer [mailto:[email protected]] <br><b>Sent:</b> February 25, 2015 8:33<br><b>To:</b> [email protected]<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Nonsense words<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I quite agree.&nbsp; I was suggesting Qov verify that these didn&#8217;t make it into the Bing database by mistake &#8211; like *<b>Maktag</b>* did.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>--<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Voragh<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Ca'Non Master of the Klingons<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 4.0pt'><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <a href="mailto:[email protected]";>[email protected]</a> [<a href="mailto:[email protected]";>mailto:[email protected]</a>] <br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, February 25, 2015 10:28 AM<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>I seriously doubt that Okrand vetted ANY of these &#8220;month&#8221; names, and I don&#8217;t feel responsible for memorizing every impossible-to-pronounce junk word that any fiction writer comes up with for a character pretending to speak Klingon.<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>If the author doesn&#8217;t respect the language enough to work something out with Marc Okrand, I don&#8217;t respect the author enough to learn the words or add them to any lexicon.<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>lojmIt tI&#8217;wI&#8217; nuv &#8216;utlh<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>Retired Door Repair Guy<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>On Feb 25, 2015, at 9:42 AM, Steven Boozer &lt;<a href="mailto:[email protected]";>[email protected]</a>&gt; wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Qov, another Klingon month name from the episodes you might want to check is *<b>Nay&#8217;Poq</b>*:</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Courier New"'>&nbsp;<span class=apple-converted-space>&nbsp;</span></span><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:Courier'>Kohlar asked the pregnant B'Elanna, &quot;Did you conceive d</span><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Courier New"'>uring</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Courier New"'>&nbsp;the holy month of *<b><i>Nay'Poq</i></b><i>*</i>?&quot; (VOY &quot;Prophecy&quot;; why this month</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Courier New"'>&nbsp;is holy was not explained)<br></span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><br></span><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Courier New"'>Also *<b><i>Lo'Bral</i></b><i>*, *<b>Soo'jen</b>*, *<b>Merruthj</b>*<span class=apple-converted-space>&nbsp;</span></i>and *<b><i>Xan'lahr</i></b><i>*</i><span class=apple-converted-space>&nbsp;</span>are other months &quot;in the Year of Kahless&quot; sequence from Michael A. Martin &amp; Andy Mangels'<span class=apple-converted-space>&nbsp;</span><i>Excelsior: Forged in Fire<span class=apple-converted-space>&nbsp;</span></i>[2007].<br><br></span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>--</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Voragh</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Ca'Non Master of the Klingons</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div style='border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 4.0pt'><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>On Feb 24, 2015, at 10:56 PM, Robyn Stewart &lt;<a href="mailto:[email protected]";><span style='color:purple'>[email protected]</span></a>&gt; wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Perfect. That&#8217;s just what I was hoping: it&#8217;s the name of a *<b>particular</b>* month&#8212;in a particular culture on a particular planet. So I don&#8217;t have to disprove it.<br><br>Now if everyone, of any ability, would write me a few Klingon sentences &nbsp;whose English translation contains the word &#8220;month&#8221; or &#8220;season&#8221; we can retrain it. Don&#8217;t stretch yourself. Write within your ability. E-mail to me, include the English translation and then I will post the list for us to typo check.</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>- Qov</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white;background-position:initial initial;background-repeat:initial initial'><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span class=apple-converted-space><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>&nbsp;</span></span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Felix Malmenbeck [<a href="mailto:[email protected]";><span style='color:purple'>mailto:[email protected]</span></a>]<span class=apple-converted-space>&nbsp;</span><br><b>Sent:</b><span class=apple-converted-space>&nbsp;</span>February 24, 2015 15:19</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>&gt; Maktag<span class=apple-converted-space>&nbsp;</span></span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>&gt;maqtagh: a klingon month or season (n) [From &quot;New Ground&quot; (TNG). At least 43 days long.]</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>&nbsp;</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>&gt;Is anyone familiar enough with this TNG novel to know whether</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>&gt; maqtagh was supposed to be a particular season, analogous</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>&gt; perhaps to &#8220;monsoon&#8221; or &#8220;spring&#8221; or a generic word for a</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>&gt; seasonal time period?</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>&nbsp;</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Not a novel, actually, but an episode.</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>&nbsp;</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Alexander Rozhenko, son of Worf, was born on the 43rd day of Maktag. It's not specified if it's a month or a season.</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>&nbsp;</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>The book Excelsior: Forged in Fire treats it as a month.</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>(It also treats Klingon years as being precisely the same length as Earth years, which flies in the face of Star Trek canon.)</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>&nbsp;</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center;background:white'><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#212121'><hr size=2 width="98%" align=center></span></div><div id=divRplyFwdMsg><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span class=apple-converted-space><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>&nbsp;</span></span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Robyn Stewart &lt;<a href="mailto:[email protected]";><span style='color:#954F72'>[email protected]</span></a>&gt;<br><b>Sent:</b><span class=apple-converted-space>&nbsp;</span>Wednesday, February 25, 2015 00:07<br><b>To:</b><span class=apple-converted-space>&nbsp;</span>tlhIngan Hol mailing list<br><b>Subject:</b><span class=apple-converted-space>&nbsp;</span>[Tlhingan-hol] FW: Nonsense words</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span lang=EN-US style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#212121'>&nbsp;</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>From a conversation with my primary contact on the Microsoft Bing team.<span class=apple-converted-space>&nbsp;</span></span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>---</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I found this online (<a href="http://www.angelfire.com/md/startrekkie1701/klindic.html";><span style='color:#954F72'>http://www.angelfire.com/md/startrekkie1701/klindic.html</span></a><span class=apple-converted-space>&nbsp;</span>-- careful, this site seems weird and may contain malware)</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Maktag<span class=apple-converted-space>&nbsp;</span></span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>maqtagh: a klingon month or season (n) [From &quot;New Ground&quot; (TNG). At least 43 days long.]</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Somehow the wrong spelling of Maktag made it into a training text file, where I can see</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>maqtagh&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<span class=apple-converted-space>&nbsp;</span></span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;color:#1F497D'>à</span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; month</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>maqtagh&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<span class=apple-converted-space>&nbsp;</span></span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;color:#1F497D'>à</span><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; season</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>i.e. possibly someone originally found the site above and added words / sentences to one of the training files.</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>&nbsp;</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>And so the engine learned that.</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>We have to remove and retrain.</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>We have an efficient way to change bad translation, but not a good way to &#8216;remove&#8217; words or phrases altogether..<span class=apple-converted-space>&nbsp;</span></span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>..what I can do easily (we do these once a week) is to replace the wrong translation from English to Klingon.</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>i.e. &#8220;month&#8221; and &#8220;season&#8221; right now translate to &#8220;maqtagh&#8221;.. what would be a better translation for &#8220;season&#8221;?</span><span lang=EN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white;background-position:initial initial;background-repeat:initial initial'><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>---<br></span><span lang=EN-US style='color:#1F497D'>Some well-meaning individual has managed to add Angelfire to our learning files, and like glitter in the carpet, it will be everywhere unless we can pick it out grain by grain.&nbsp; Is anyone familiar enough with this TNG novel to know whether maqtagh was supposed to be a particular season, analogous perhaps to &#8220;monsoon&#8221; or &#8220;spring&#8221; or a generic word for a seasonal time period? 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