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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Using betleH vocabulary (was RE: Klingon Word of the Day: jIrmoH)

Robyn Stewart ([email protected]) [KLI Member] [Hol po'wI']

Oh I have no problem with any of those. I read program (a computer) as clarifying that it isn't programming a conference.  It's when a word gets expanded to cover all its English meanings that I get sad. Like if someone tried to use ghuS to mean ready to go shopping. Sure one could be metaphorically ready to launch herself I to the shopping mall, but once that gets understood the word ends up losing its clear connection to missiles. 

> On Apr 9, 2015, at 2:13, Lieven <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
>> Am 09.04.2015 um 02:17 schrieb De'vID:
>> I think that while Marc Okrand often defines a verb to be specific to
>> a situation, they are intended to be more generic than their
>> definitions. But he doesn't give the most generic definition to give
>> himself wriggle room to change his mind later.
> 
> Also an interesting sidenote to remember: When Okrand created TKD, he had in mind the typical tourist dictionaries one can get at the airport - they give a foreign word for a simple idea usable in a situation, but when you look closer, you see it's ambiguous.
> 
>> My theory is that the
>> definitions we have for these verbs are partial definitions, and that
>> they are more general, but of course that's just an assumption on my
>> part.
> 
> I know many people disagree, but I always use words in multiple ways as long as one understands. Sometimes we just need to "expand" the meanings becaues of lack of vocabulary. All the explanations in brackets just try to clarify the word, not to limit its meaning.
> 
> Examples:
> ghun - program (a computer)
> you can also program a phone, a car or an oven.
> 
> chu' - activate (a device)
> you can also turn on a light, a software.
> 
> jom - install (a device)
> you can also install a software, maybe even a bookshelf at the wall.
> 
> QongDaq - bed
> Can be used for anything you sleep on, it's a "Qong"-Daq!
> cradle, crib, camp bed, canopy bed, daybed, featherbed, sofabed etc.
> 
> etc.
> 
> By the way, I believe that Okrand has learned from our nagging about definitions, see the words like {chIw} which he clearly defined as "express, embody, exude, epitomize", {vum} "contemptible or despicable person, scumbag, bastard", or {mIllogh} "image, picture, any sort of depiction, including drawings, photographs, cartoons, computer icons etc."
> 
> 
> -- 
> Lieven L. Litaer
> aka Quvar valer 'utlh
> Grammarian of the KLI
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