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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] mu'mey ram
- From: "Bellerophon, modeler" <[email protected]>
- Subject: Re: [Tlhingan-hol] mu'mey ram
- Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2014 01:01:14 -0400
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<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:16px">lojmIt tI'wI': your points are well made. I had been getting into the habit of writing {qaStaHvIS}, but it seemed redundant for periods of time like {DISmey 'eq}. I guess it all goes back to TKD: {qaStaHvIS wa' ram loS SaD Hugh SIjlaH}. I expect that {qaStaHvIS} is slurred in Klingon speech.</div><div class="gmail_extra" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:16px"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:16px"><Hov leng> vItIvchu' 'e' Sovbejpu' vavwI' SoSwI' je. cha'maH Hut ben tlhIngan mu'ghom munob. tlhIngan Hol vIghoj neH. DoyIchlan Hol vIghoj ngugh 'e' maS.</div><div class="gmail_extra" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:16px"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:16px">SIbI'Ha' <Hov leng: puH poH veb> bej vavwI'. lutmey tIv. 'utlh mojDI' lutmeyDaj qonchoH je. <Billy the Kid>, tera' noH'a' cha'DIch, nIyma'mey je bop lutmeyDaj. Huj lutmeyDaj 'ach qa' je'pu' je. tagha' vanpu' lutmeyDaj. vagh ben Heghpu' vavwI'.</div><div class="gmail_extra" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:16px"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:16px">~'eD</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 5:06 PM, <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:[email protected]" target="_blank">[email protected]</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word"><div>Okay, I waited for the BG (Beginners' Grammarian) to step in on this, but haven't seen a reply so...</div><br><div><div>On Sep 28, 2014, at 3:33 PM, Bellerophon, modeler <<a href="mailto:[email protected]" target="_blank">[email protected]</a>> wrote:</div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div>mu'mey law' vIlo'laH jIH je, 'ach mu'mey law' vIqawnIS. tlhoy mu'ghom vIlo'nISchugh, vaj jIlaDta'pa' jIlIjchoH.</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>jIyajchu'. loQ qay'wI'wIj rur qay'wI'lIj.</div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr">Subpu'lI' vIHo' je. jIpo'chu'meH poH yap vIghajpu' 'ach ghojwI' neH jIH. cha'maH Hut ben jIHvaD tlhIngan mu'ghom nob SoSwI' vavwI' je.</div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>tlhIngan Hol ghojlu'meH tungHa'DI' qorDu' qub wanI'.</div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div><div>DISmey 'eq Holvam HaDchu'taH latlhpu' 'e' ngugh vISovbe'.</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>This is a little bit confusing. {DISmey 'eq} doesn't seem to have a grammatical function in either sentence. {ben} is a time stamp, but {DIS} is simply a noun. You have also placed {ngugh} in the same place adverbials are placed in canon, though I always want to put them before the {'e'} because in any other grammatical sentence, the adverbial goes before the direct object instead of after it. Anyway, I think your sentence might be clearer if it were rearranged and changed a little:</div><div><br></div><div>Holvam HaDchu'taH latlhpu'. qaStaHvIS DISmey 'eq ngoDvam vISovbe'.</div><div><br></div><div>Otherwise it sounds like others have been perfectly studying this language for too many years. Or there could be other approaches:</div><div><br></div><div>ben 'eq Holvam luHaDchoH latlhpu' 'ej luHaDtaH 'ach wej vIHaDchoH. wej nuvpu'vam vIqIH.</div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div><div>Holvam vIghojnISchu' 'e' cha' ben vIwuvta'. mughojmoH latlhpu'vam 'e' vIchaw'choH. muQaHqu' Qov, latlh law' je. Qov lutmey vIlaDnISqa'.</div><div><br></div><div>naDev chegh HoD Qanqor 'e' tullu'. Seqram bopbogh ngoD puS'e' vISov je. 'ach 'Iv ghaH ghIDo wa''e'</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>net tul (as you later corrected, yourself)</div><div><br></div><div>ghIDo wa' was one of the two translators of the Klingon Hamlet. He joined this list when he was 16. Everybody thought he was a professor of linguistics because he wrote like one. We gave him a scholarship so that he could go off and become a professor of linguistics. We haven't heard from him since.</div><div><br></div><div>I may be misspelling the name. I remember that it violated my expectations for a well-formed Klingon word. May have been ghuyDo wa'. I tend to remember phonetically and then try to spell what I hear.</div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div><div>~'eD</div><div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Sep 26, 2014 at 11:37 AM, <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:[email protected]" target="_blank">[email protected]</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word"><div>maj.</div><div><br></div><div>pIj mu'ghomwIjDaq mu'mey vISamnIS. mu'mey puS vIqawlaHchu'. mu'mey vIlo'laHmeH laH tIn law', mu'mey vIqawmeH laH tIn puS.</div><div><br></div><div>mu'mey qawchu' nuvpu' puS. qawchu'ta' Qov. qawchu'taH ghIDo wa'. mej Qov. chegh Qov. mej ghIDo wa'. cheghbe'.</div><div><br></div><div>Subpu'na' qon tlhIngan Hol qun. mejpu'mo' 'op, 'IQlu'. </div><div><br></div><div>choyajlaHmo' jIbel. yIqeqtaH!</div><div><br></div><div>tlhIngan Hol jatlhpa' HoD Qanqor, tlhIngan Hol jatlhlu'be'. jatlhwI' wa'DIch ghaH. jatlhwI' cha'DIch ghaH Seqram'e'. ja'chuqtaHvIS HoD Qanqor Seqram je, jatlhchoH latlhpu' puS 'e' wIv latlhpu'vam.</div><div><br></div><div>not tlhIngan Hol vIjatlhlaHchu', 'ach QIt vIlaDlaH 'ej vIghItlhlaH. qeqmeH poH yap vIHutlh. buy' ngopwIj. rut jIghItlhmeH poH vISam. rut vIHutlh. ghaytanHa' jIcheghchu'.</div></div></blockquote></div><div><br></div><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888">-- <br>My modeling blog: <a href="http://bellerophon-modeler.blogspot.com/" target="_blank">http://bellerophon-modeler.blogspot.com/</a><br>My other modeling blog: <a href="http://bellerophon.blog.com/" target="_blank">http://bellerophon.blog.com/</a><br>
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