tlhIngan-Hol Archive: Mon Sep 29 22:01:30 2014

Back to archive top level

To this year's listing



[Date Prev][Date Next][Thread Prev][Thread Next]

Re: [Tlhingan-hol] mu'mey ram

Bellerophon, modeler ([email protected])



<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:16px">lojmIt tI&#39;wI&#39;: your points are well made. I had been getting into the habit of writing {qaStaHvIS}, but it seemed redundant for periods of time like {DISmey &#39;eq}. I guess it all goes back to TKD: {qaStaHvIS wa&#39; ram loS SaD Hugh SIjlaH}. I expect that {qaStaHvIS} is slurred in Klingon speech.</div><div class="gmail_extra" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:16px"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:16px">&lt;Hov leng&gt; vItIvchu&#39; &#39;e&#39; Sovbejpu&#39; vavwI&#39; SoSwI&#39; je. cha&#39;maH Hut ben tlhIngan mu&#39;ghom munob. tlhIngan Hol vIghoj neH. DoyIchlan Hol vIghoj ngugh &#39;e&#39; maS.</div><div class="gmail_extra" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:16px"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:16px">SIbI&#39;Ha&#39; &lt;Hov leng: puH poH veb&gt; bej vavwI&#39;. lutmey tIv. &#39;utlh mojDI&#39; lutmeyDaj qonchoH je. &lt;Billy the Kid&gt;, tera&#39; noH&#39;a&#39; cha&#39;DIch, nIyma&#39;mey je bop lutmeyDaj. Huj lutmeyDaj &#39;ach qa&#39; je&#39;pu&#39; je. tagha&#39; vanpu&#39; lutmeyDaj. vagh ben Heghpu&#39; vavwI&#39;.</div><div class="gmail_extra" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:16px"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:16px">~&#39;eD</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 5:06 PM,  <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:[email protected]"; target="_blank">[email protected]</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word"><div>Okay, I waited for the BG (Beginners&#39; Grammarian) to step in on this, but haven&#39;t seen a reply so...</div><br><div><div>On Sep 28, 2014, at 3:33 PM, Bellerophon, modeler &lt;<a href="mailto:[email protected]"; target="_blank">[email protected]</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div>mu&#39;mey law&#39; vIlo&#39;laH jIH je, &#39;ach mu&#39;mey law&#39; vIqawnIS. tlhoy mu&#39;ghom vIlo&#39;nISchugh, vaj jIlaDta&#39;pa&#39; jIlIjchoH.</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>jIyajchu&#39;. loQ qay&#39;wI&#39;wIj rur qay&#39;wI&#39;lIj.</div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr">Subpu&#39;lI&#39; vIHo&#39; je. jIpo&#39;chu&#39;meH poH yap vIghajpu&#39; &#39;ach ghojwI&#39; neH jIH. cha&#39;maH Hut ben jIHvaD tlhIngan mu&#39;ghom nob SoSwI&#39; vavwI&#39; je.</div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>tlhIngan Hol ghojlu&#39;meH tungHa&#39;DI&#39; qorDu&#39; qub wanI&#39;.</div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div><div>DISmey &#39;eq Holvam HaDchu&#39;taH latlhpu&#39; &#39;e&#39; ngugh vISovbe&#39;.</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>This is a little bit confusing. {DISmey &#39;eq} doesn&#39;t seem to have a grammatical function in either sentence. {ben} is a time stamp, but {DIS} is simply a noun. You have also placed {ngugh} in the same place adverbials are placed in canon, though I always want to put them before the {&#39;e&#39;} because in any other grammatical sentence, the adverbial goes before the direct object instead of after it. Anyway, I think your sentence might be clearer if it were rearranged and changed a little:</div><div><br></div><div>Holvam HaDchu&#39;taH latlhpu&#39;. qaStaHvIS DISmey &#39;eq ngoDvam vISovbe&#39;.</div><div><br></div><div>Otherwise it sounds like others have been perfectly studying this language for too many years. Or there could be other approaches:</div><div><br></div><div>ben &#39;eq Holvam luHaDchoH latlhpu&#39; &#39;ej luHaDtaH &#39;ach wej vIHaDchoH. wej nuvpu&#39;vam vIqIH.</div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div><div>Holvam  vIghojnISchu&#39; &#39;e&#39; cha&#39; ben vIwuvta&#39;. mughojmoH latlhpu&#39;vam &#39;e&#39; vIchaw&#39;choH. muQaHqu&#39; Qov, latlh law&#39; je. Qov lutmey vIlaDnISqa&#39;.</div><div><br></div><div>naDev chegh HoD Qanqor &#39;e&#39; tullu&#39;. Seqram bopbogh ngoD puS&#39;e&#39; vISov je. &#39;ach &#39;Iv ghaH ghIDo wa&#39;&#39;e&#39;</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>net tul (as you later corrected, yourself)</div><div><br></div><div>ghIDo wa&#39; was one of the two translators of the Klingon Hamlet. He joined this list when he was 16. Everybody thought he was a professor of linguistics because he wrote like one. We gave him a scholarship so that he could go off and become a professor of linguistics. We haven&#39;t heard from him since.</div><div><br></div><div>I may be misspelling the name. I remember that it violated my expectations for a well-formed Klingon word. May have been ghuyDo wa&#39;. I tend to remember phonetically and then try to spell what I hear.</div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div><div>~&#39;eD</div><div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Sep 26, 2014 at 11:37 AM,  <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a href="mailto:[email protected]"; target="_blank">[email protected]</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word"><div>maj.</div><div><br></div><div>pIj mu&#39;ghomwIjDaq mu&#39;mey vISamnIS. mu&#39;mey puS vIqawlaHchu&#39;. mu&#39;mey vIlo&#39;laHmeH laH tIn law&#39;, mu&#39;mey vIqawmeH laH tIn puS.</div><div><br></div><div>mu&#39;mey qawchu&#39; nuvpu&#39; puS. qawchu&#39;ta&#39; Qov.  qawchu&#39;taH ghIDo wa&#39;. mej Qov. chegh Qov. mej ghIDo wa&#39;. cheghbe&#39;.</div><div><br></div><div>Subpu&#39;na&#39; qon tlhIngan Hol qun. mejpu&#39;mo&#39; &#39;op, &#39;IQlu&#39;. </div><div><br></div><div>choyajlaHmo&#39; jIbel. yIqeqtaH!</div><div><br></div><div>tlhIngan Hol jatlhpa&#39; HoD Qanqor, tlhIngan Hol jatlhlu&#39;be&#39;. jatlhwI&#39; wa&#39;DIch ghaH. jatlhwI&#39; cha&#39;DIch ghaH Seqram&#39;e&#39;. ja&#39;chuqtaHvIS HoD Qanqor Seqram je, jatlhchoH latlhpu&#39; puS &#39;e&#39; wIv latlhpu&#39;vam.</div><div><br></div><div>not tlhIngan Hol vIjatlhlaHchu&#39;, &#39;ach QIt vIlaDlaH &#39;ej vIghItlhlaH. qeqmeH poH yap vIHutlh. buy&#39; ngopwIj. rut jIghItlhmeH poH vISam. rut vIHutlh. ghaytanHa&#39; jIcheghchu&#39;.</div></div></blockquote></div><div><br></div><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888">-- <br>My modeling blog:          <a href="http://bellerophon-modeler.blogspot.com/"; target="_blank">http://bellerophon-modeler.blogspot.com/</a><br>My other modeling blog:  <a href="http://bellerophon.blog.com/"; target="_blank">http://bellerophon.blog.com/</a><br>
</font></span></div></div></div></div><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888">
_______________________________________________<br>Tlhingan-hol mailing list<br><a href="mailto:[email protected]"; target="_blank">[email protected]</a><br><a href="http://mail.kli.org/mailman/listinfo/tlhingan-hol"; target="_blank">http://mail.kli.org/mailman/listinfo/tlhingan-hol</a><br></font></span></blockquote></div><br></div><br>_______________________________________________<br>
Tlhingan-hol mailing list<br>
<a href="mailto:[email protected]";>[email protected]</a><br>
<a href="http://mail.kli.org/mailman/listinfo/tlhingan-hol"; target="_blank">http://mail.kli.org/mailman/listinfo/tlhingan-hol</a><br>
<br></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br>My modeling blog:          <a href="http://bellerophon-modeler.blogspot.com/"; target="_blank">http://bellerophon-modeler.blogspot.com/</a><br>My other modeling blog:  <a href="http://bellerophon.blog.com/"; target="_blank">http://bellerophon.blog.com/</a><br>
</div></div>
_______________________________________________
Tlhingan-hol mailing list
[email protected]
http://mail.kli.org/mailman/listinfo/tlhingan-hol


Back to archive top level