On 11/25/2014 4:39 PM, Lieven wrote:
Am 25.11.2014 um 21:58 schrieb SuStel:repeated in TKD: "I told you: don't interrupt me" {qaja'pu': HIqaghQo'}None of those have an explicit noun or pronoun object on them.Oh, now I see what you mean. So you search for a "visible" object and not just one suggested by the suffix.
Exactly. We know, for example, that the prefix trick allows {qajatlh} even though we also know that the direct object of {jatlh} is the thing said or the language spoken. {qajatlh} doesn't mean "I speak you," it means "I speak to you." Because we know {SoH} is not an appropriate object for {jatlh}, the prefix trick lets us indicate an indirect object with the object portion of the verb prefix.
paq'batlh seems to have enough.
Indeed, it would seem to clinch it.As for a "muddy" meaning: I see {ja'} as meaning "deliver information, often verbally" while {jatlh} means "make vocal language noises." Sometimes they can be used interchangeably, sometimes not. This is not a deficiency in the language.
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