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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] -nIS : whose volition?

Robyn Stewart ([email protected]) [KLI Member] [Hol po'wI']



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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-CA link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>When I say volition I am quoting TKD 4.2.2.  I will further quote: “suffixes of this type express how much choice the subject has about the action described or how predisposed the subject is to doing it.”<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Bellerophon, modeler [mailto:[email protected]] <br><b>Sent:</b> May 29, 2014 19:20<br><b>To:</b> [email protected]<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Tlhingan-hol] -nIS : whose volition?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>In the examples you cite, the &quot;need&quot; is relative to some purpose, which is implied. Also, volition does not necessarily coincide with &quot;need,&quot; particularly if the supposed need serves someone else's ends. Perhaps Klingons assert different views of the purpose to be served when they use the ending {nIS}.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>However, you make a good point. Similar misuse of &quot;need&quot; in such contexts in English (and other Earth languages) does not mean that Klingons also indulge in such verbal posturing. It seems somehow indirect, and therefore un-Klingon.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>~'eD<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 9:25 PM, Robyn Stewart &lt;<a href="mailto:[email protected]"; target="_blank">[email protected]</a>&gt; wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><p><span style='font-family:"Courier New"'>Once again I am seeking to satisfy the widest possible range of competent Klingon speakers with my interpretation of TKD and canon for the beginners’ course.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p><br><span style='font-family:"Courier New"'>We know from TKD that type 2 verb suffixes represent the volition of the subject to perform the action of the verb.</span> <span style='font-family:"Courier New"'>We also have the sentence</span> <span style='font-family:"Courier New"'>from Star Trek V:</span> <span style='font-family:"Courier New"'>DungDaq legh 'ej QotnIStaH romuluSngan be'pu' = Romulan women belong on their backs.</span> <span style='font-family:"Courier New"'>Clearly</span> <span style='font-family:"Courier New"'>in this sentence</span> <span style='font-family:"Courier New"'>Korrd is not describing the actual volition of Romulan women,</span> <span style='font-family:"Courier New"'>nor what he believes about what they personally need,</span> <span style='font-family:"Courier New"'>but his own opinion, what they would need to do to satisfy him, similar to us saying,</span> <span style='font-family:"Courier New"'>“That food needs to be in my belly.”<br><br>I think I say</span> <span style='font-family:"Courier New"'>and hear</span> <span style='font-family:"Courier New"'>things like this</span> <span style='font-family:"Courier New"'>in Klingon</span> <span style='font-family:"Courier New"'>all the time.&nbsp;</span> <span style='font-family:"Courier New"'>Are we</span> <span style='font-family:"Courier New"'>correct? Is Korrd’s line an aberration</span> <span style='font-family:"Courier New"'>or regionalism? Would you feel it</span> <span style='font-family:"Courier New"'>correct or</span> <span style='font-family:"Courier New"'>incorrect to advise beginners to avoid this</span> <span style='font-family:"Courier New"'>usage? </span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span style='font-family:"Courier New"'>Would you accept the sentence:</span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span style='font-family:"Courier New"'>jagh mernIS bachlIj.&nbsp; </span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span style='font-family:"Courier New"'>Clearly the shot itself has no volition, it is the speaker (addressing the gunner) who has the need.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span style='font-family:"Courier New"'>Discuss.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>_______________________________________________<br>Tlhingan-hol mailing list<br><a href="mailto:[email protected]";>[email protected]</a><br><a href="http://mail.kli.org/mailman/listinfo/tlhingan-hol"; target="_blank">http://mail.kli.org/mailman/listinfo/tlhingan-hol</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br clear=all><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal>-- <br>My modeling blog:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <a href="http://bellerophon-modeler.blogspot.com/"; target="_blank">http://bellerophon-modeler.blogspot.com/</a><br>My other modeling blog:&nbsp; <a href="http://bellerophon.blog.com/"; target="_blank">http://bellerophon.blog.com/</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></body></html>
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