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[Tlhingan-hol] -nIS : whose volition?

Robyn Stewart ([email protected])

From: "Robyn Stewart" <[email protected]>
Subject: [Tlhingan-hol] -nIS : whose volition?
Date: Thu, 29 May 2014 18:25:19 -0700
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<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-ca"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">Once again I am seeking to satisfy the widest possible range of competent Klingon speakers with my interpretation of TKD and canon for the beginners&#8217; course</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-ca"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">.</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-ca"></SPAN></P>

<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-ca"><BR>
<FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">We know from TKD that type 2 verb suffixes represent the volition of the subject to perform the action of the verb.</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-ca"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New"></FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-ca"> <FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">We also have the sentence</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-ca"> <FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">from Star Trek V:</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-ca"> <FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">DungDaq legh 'ej QotnIStaH romuluSngan be'pu'</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-ca"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New"> = Romulan women belong on their backs.</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-ca"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New"></FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-ca"> <FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">Clearly</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-ca"> <FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">in this sentence</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-ca"> <FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">Korrd is not describing the actual volition of Romulan women,</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-ca"> <FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">nor what he believes about what they personally need,</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-ca"> <FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">but his own opinion,</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-ca"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New"> what they would need to do to satisfy him,</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-ca"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New"> similar to us saying,</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-ca"> <FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">&#8220;That food needs to be in my belly.&#8221;<BR>
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</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-ca"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">I think I</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-ca"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New"> say</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-ca"> <FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">and hear</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-ca"> <FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">things like this</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-ca"> <FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">in Klingon</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-ca"> <FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">all the time.&nbsp;</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-ca"> <FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">Are we</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-ca"> <FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">correct? Is Korrd&#8217;s line an abe</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-ca"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">r</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-ca"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">ration</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-ca"> <FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">or regionalism? Would you feel it</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-ca"> <FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">correct or</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-ca"> <FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">incorrect to advise beginners to avoid this</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-ca"> <FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">usage? </FONT></SPAN></P>

<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-ca"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">Would you accept the sentence:</FONT></SPAN></P>

<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-ca"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">jagh mernIS bachlIj.</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-ca"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">&nbsp; </FONT></SPAN></P>

<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-ca"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">Clearly the shot itself has no volition</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-ca"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">, it is the speaker (addressing the gunner) who has the need.</FONT></SPAN></P>

<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-ca"></SPAN></P>

<P DIR=LTR><SPAN LANG="en-ca"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Courier New">Discuss.</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG="en-ca"></SPAN></P>

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