tlhIngan-Hol Archive: Thu Mar 27 21:18:28 2014
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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Verbing objects
<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 2:22 PM, SuStel <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:[email protected]"; target="_blank">[email protected]</a>></span> wrote:<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
I'm not saying this is a grammatical proof of anything, just that we<br>
might use it to help us English-addled people try to figure out whether<br>
an object makes sense with the given gloss.<br></blockquote><div> </div><div>No one should condone bad Klingon grammar, but if usage isn't settled, perhaps it's "up for grabs;" that is, decided by Klingon speakers arriving at a consensus over time. Some usage will surely be rejected by most speakers, and some accepted. Maltz gets the last word.</div>
<div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
As for your sentence-as-object example, I think it's flawed. If we<br>
assume that {Qoch} can take an object, then I interpret {maHIvrup 'e'<br>
wIQoch jIH matlh je} as "Maltz and I (both) disagree that we are ready<br>
to attack." In other words, we both think we're not ready to attack;<br>
we're not disagreeing with each other. Perhaps to disagree with each<br>
other we need to say {maQochchuq}, but then we obviously can't add an<br>
{'e'} object to that sentence.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Agreed--I was aiming for one ambiguity, and accidentally either created another or prevented the intended interpretation.</div>
<div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Like I said, if we give up a strict interpretation of our English<br>
glosses, it becomes difficult to decide on proper subjects and objects.<br>
But I think that might just be the boat we're in.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Not a bad situation, really. Like trading a foil for a bat'leth. Handling it teaches the user, first, that the bat'leth isn't a foil, and second, how it can be handled effectively. I heard someone else make a similar comparison before--maybe Qov.</div>
<div><br></div><div>~'eD</div></div><div><br></div>-- <br>My modeling blog: <a href="http://bellerophon-modeler.blogspot.com/"; target="_blank">http://bellerophon-modeler.blogspot.com/</a><br>My other modeling blog: <a href="http://bellerophon.blog.com/"; target="_blank">http://bellerophon.blog.com/</a><br>
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