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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Last X and testament?
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Everyone has made some good points, but as QeS pointed out: he’s translating an existing text about an alien (at least, to the Klingons) culture. He needs a
word or phrase to use repeatedly, after having been explained in a footnote to the Klingon reader who may be unfamiliar with the concept of a will and testament.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">You might be able to do something with {chaw’} “permit, ticket, card, deed” (n) – although it does seem to imply a document issued by a higher authority. Known
examples:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:Courier">cha'puj vIngevmeH chaw' HInobneS</span></b><span style="font-family:Courier">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Courier">Give me a permit to sell dilithium, your honor. PK<br>
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</span><span style="font-family:"Courier New""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:"Courier New"">nuqDaq chaw' vIje'</span></b><span style="font-family:"Courier New"">
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Courier New"">Where can I buy a ticket? (TNK)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b><span style="color:red">chaw'vam yIpol 'ej SIbI'Ha' yIlo' pagh 'oH yImech</span></b>
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Courier New"">This card may be kept until needed or traded. MKE<br>
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<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:Courier;color:red">HIjmeH chaw'</span></b><b><span style="font-family:Courier">
<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Courier">stamp TNK</span><span style="font-family:"Courier New""><br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:"Courier New";color:red">Huch chaw'</span></b><b><span style="font-family:"Courier New"">
<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Courier New"">credit card TNK<br>
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<b><span style="color:red"><o:p></o:p></span></b></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:"Courier New";color:red">leng chaw'</span></b><b><span style="font-family:"Courier New"">
<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Courier New"">passport TNK<br>
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<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:"Courier New";color:red">yer ghajwI' chaw'</span></b><b><span style="font-family:"Courier New"">
<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Courier New"">title deed<i> (</i>MKE)<br>
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<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:"Courier New";color:red"> cha'maH chorgh yer ghajwI' chaw' 'echletHommey</span></b><span style="font-family:"Courier New"">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Courier New""> 28 Title Deed cards. MKE<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span><strong><span style="font-family:Courier;color:#C00000">'elmeH chaw'</span></strong><strong><span style="font-family:Courier">
<o:p></o:p></span></strong></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><strong><span style="font-family:Courier;font-weight:normal">ticket (WSC)</span></strong><span style="font-family:Courier"><br>
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<strong><span style="font-weight:normal"><o:p></o:p></span></strong></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><strong><i><span style="font-family:Courier;font-weight:normal"> </span></i></strong><b><span style="font-family:"Courier New"">'elmeH chaw'mey je'lu'ta'bogh
<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:"Courier New""> </span></b><span style="font-family:"Courier New"">will-call tickets (WSC)</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">And speaking of official documents, how about just {ghItlh Qav} “final manuscript” which can be referred to as simply {ghItlh} “the manuscript, the document”,
{ghItlhvetlh}, {ghithvam}, etc. after it’s been introduced (and explained)? Are there any other manuscripts that play an important role in the story?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">--<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Voragh<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Ca'Non Master of the Klingons<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> Rohan Fenwick [mailto:[email protected]]
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<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, March 09, 2014 5:54 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> [email protected]<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Last X and testament?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">ghItlhpu' Alex, jatlh:<br>
> With no noun form for ra' command (v) apparent, a title such as<br>
> {ra'mey Qav} "final orders" would be a bit problematical. But a<br>
> Will is not just a list of stuff to be given away; it's a set of final<br>
> commands. "Howl for me in the traditional manner," "Feast and<br>
> sing songs of my deeds in the Great Hall at High Sun" and all that.<br>
> If there were a noun form for command it'd be easy - {ra'mey Qav<br>
> tetlh}. Perhaps {tetlh Qav} or {Hegh tetlh}?<br>
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Hrm. You raise some good thoughts there. What about using {ra'} as a purpose clause? {ra'meH tetlh} or {ra'meH tetlh Qav}, maybe? Or not restricting it to a written document necessarily, {ra'meH nab Qav}?<br>
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QeS <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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