tlhIngan-Hol Archive: Tue Jun 17 14:01:20 2014
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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] 'arDaq
<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=us-ascii"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;"><div>The point that has been made that you seem to have missed is that *{'arDIch} is apparently not a word.</div><div><br></div><div>It's logical that it would be a word, since {'arlogh} is a word, and since {'ar} is the question word replaced by a number, and {-logh} is a number suffix, that since {-DIch} is a number suffix, you could put it on {'ar}, too, but that's an assumption that has not been backed up by either use in canon or grammatical discussion or description by Marc Okrand.</div><div><br></div><div>So, the word *{'arDIch} is not a word, and discussing it further is futile.</div><div><br></div><div>The only use of {-DIch} that is valid is applying it to a number to be functionally equivalent of what happens in English when you add "th" to "5" to make "5th".</div><br><div><div>On Jun 17, 2014, at 4:16 PM, Brad Wilson <<a href="mailto:[email protected]";>[email protected]</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><font size="2" face="arial">
<div style="font-size: 10pt;"><font size="2"><pre style="font-family: arial, helvetica; font-size: 9pt;"><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: arial;">>>></span></pre><pre style="font-family: arial, helvetica; font-size: 9pt;"><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: arial;">If I ask, "Which door do you choose?", it's still simple {lojmIt 'arDIch DawIv?} </span></pre><pre style="font-size: 9pt;"><tt><font face="arial, helvetica">You answer "I choose the third door." {lojmIt wejDIch vIwIv.}</font></tt></pre>
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<div id="AOLMsgPart_0_f091bd8c-ff00-4d85-9e69-48eaeeb786b0" style="margin: 0px; font-size: 12px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><pre style="font-size: 9pt;"><tt><span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 9pt;"><<< </span></tt></pre><pre style="font-size: 9pt;"><tt><font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">If {'arDIch} really means "which" in the sense of "one of a choice of options", then </font></tt><span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 9pt;">I could answer with {lojmItvatlh vIwIv} (pointing to my selection) or {lojmIt SuD vIwIv} and not use {-DIch} at all.</span></pre><pre style="font-size: 9pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 9pt;">The question I was asking earlier:</span></pre><pre style="font-size: 9pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 9pt;">>>></span></pre><pre style="font-size: 9pt;"><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;">Is there are requirement that if the question uses {'arDIch} that the answer </span><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;">must use {number-DIch}?</span></pre><pre style="font-size: 9pt;"><tt>It would seem that {-DIch} is a "sequential" marker that identifies its headword
either by appearance to the speaker, or importance, or by some other criterion.</tt></pre><pre style="font-size: 9pt;"><tt><font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><<<</font></tt></pre><pre style="font-size: 9pt;"><tt><font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">All uses of {-DIch} that I'm aware of seem to be that of "ordinalizing" a number, i.e. ordering either in space or time.</font></tt></pre><pre style="font-size: 9pt;"><tt><font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">In English, the word "which" can have an ordinal sense to it:</font></tt></pre><pre style="font-size: 9pt;"><tt><font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">... </font></tt><span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 9pt;">"the position in a sequence of doors in front of me" or "the appearance of doors over time (say, walking down a hall)".</span></pre><pre style="font-size: 9pt;"><span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 9pt;">But "which" can also mean "a choice from a selection without regard to order".</span></pre><pre style="font-size: 9pt;"><tt><font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">My question is, without further clarification from MO, can we say that {'arDIch} also has this broader meaning of "one of a choice, order notwithstanding"?</font></tt></pre><pre style="font-size: 9pt;"><tt><font face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">gheyIl</font></tt></pre>
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