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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] 'arDaq

Robyn Stewart ([email protected]) [KLI Member] [Hol po'wI']



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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-CA link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>The question you want to ask is actually lojmIt DawIvbogh yIngu&#8217;, and you&#8217;re right in that many sentences that are questions in English are best rendered as commands in Klingon. Questions are demands for information, after all.<br><br>lojmIt DawIv &#8216;e&#8217; yIngu&#8217; comes out meaning something like &#8220;Identify that you choose a door.&#8221; If I didn&#8217;t know what you were aiming at there, I would have suggested you change it to lojmIt DawIv &#8216;e&#8217; yI&#8217;ol &#8211; Verify that you will choose a door, because that&#8217;s what the meaning approaches.<br><br>The word &#8216;e&#8217; has the very specific purpose of making the entire preceding sentence the object of the following verb.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I too don&#8217;t have a problem with lojmIt &#8216;arDIch DawIv? being answered with lojmIt wej vIwIv, but understand that it isn&#8217;t an exact match. I&#8217;m not sure what the question that matches exactly in English is.<br><br>- Qov<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Brad Wilson [mailto:[email protected]] <br><b>Sent:</b> June 16, 2014 19:12<br><b>To:</b> [email protected]<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Tlhingan-hol] 'arDaq<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><pre><tt><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>&gt;&gt;&gt; ghItlh Steven Boozer:</span></tt><span style='font-size:9.0pt;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><tt><span style='color:black'>If I ask, &quot;Which door do you choose?&quot;, it's still simple {lojmIt 'arDIch DawIv?} <o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre><pre><tt><span style='color:black'>You answer &quot;I choose the third door.&quot; {lojmIt wejDIch vIwIv.}<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre><pre><tt><span style='color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></tt></pre><pre><tt><span style='color:black'>There doesn't seem to be a way to ask the question that is answered by {lojmIt wej vIwIv}. &quot;I choose door #3.&quot;</span></tt><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><tt><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>&gt;&gt;&gt;</span></tt><span style='font-size:9.0pt;color:black'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></pre><pre><tt><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Is there are requirement that if the question uses {'arDIch} that the answer must use {number-DIch}?</span></tt><span style='font-size:9.0pt;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><tt><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>It would seem that {-DIch} is a &quot;sequential&quot; marker that identifies its headword either by appearance to the speaker, or importance, or by some other criterion.</span></tt><span style='font-size:9.0pt;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><tt><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>To elicit a response of {lojmIt wej vIwIv}, a question of the form {lojmIt DawIv 'e' yIngu'} would be in order (which isn't a question at all).</span></tt><span style='font-size:9.0pt;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><tt><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>gheyIl</span></tt><span style='font-size:9.0pt;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><br><br><tt><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></tt></span></pre></div></div></body></html>
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