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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Objects with -moH

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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 6/2/2014 2:48 AM, Robyn Stewart
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      <p dir="LTR"><font face="Calibri">[E]</font><span lang="en-ca"><font
            face="Calibri">xpert or beginner&#8212;on the leve</font></span><span
          lang="en-ca"><font face="Calibri">l of information</font></span><span
          lang="en-ca"> <font face="Calibri">included. Is there more
            beginners should know?</font></span><span lang="en-ca"> <font
            face="Calibri">Should I be more terse and simply say that
            canon is ambiguous on the object of this type of</font></span><span
          lang="en-ca"> <font face="Calibri">verb?</font></span><span
          lang="en-ca"><br>
          <font face="Calibri">---</font></span><span lang="en-ca"><br>
          <font face="Calibri">Things can get more complicated when &#8211;moH
            is used on a verb that could already take an object. This is
            an area where we don't have all the answers. For example</font></span><span
          lang="en-ca"><font face="Calibri">, the word &lt;</font></span><span
          lang="en-ca"><font face="Calibri">ghojmoH</font></span><span
          lang="en-ca"><font face="Calibri">&gt;</font></span><span
          lang="en-ca"><font face="Calibri"> is formed from</font></span><span
          lang="en-ca"> <font face="Calibri">&lt;</font></span><span
          lang="en-ca"><font face="Calibri">ghoj</font></span><span
          lang="en-ca"><font face="Calibri">&gt;</font></span><span
          lang="en-ca"></span><span lang="en-ca"> <font face="Calibri">&#8220;</font></span><span
          lang="en-ca"><font face="Calibri">learn</font></span><span
          lang="en-ca"><font face="Calibri">&#8221;</font></span><span
          lang="en-ca"><font face="Calibri"> plus &#8211;moH, and means</font></span><span
          lang="en-ca"> <font face="Calibri">&#8220;</font></span><span
          lang="en-ca"><font face="Calibri">cause to learn</font></span><span
          lang="en-ca"><font face="Calibri">&#8221;</font></span><span
          lang="en-ca"><font face="Calibri">, normally translated as</font></span><span
          lang="en-ca"> <font face="Calibri">&#8220;</font></span><span
          lang="en-ca"><font face="Calibri">teach, instruct.</font></span><span
          lang="en-ca"><font face="Calibri">&#8221;</font></span><span
          lang="en-ca"><font face="Calibri"> It even has its own listing
            in TKD as such. But what is the object of ghojmoH? </font></span></p>
      <p dir="LTR"><span lang="en-ca"><font face="Calibri">Is it the
            student? That would seem to make sense.&nbsp;<br>
            ghoj puq. &#8211; The child learns.<br>
            ?puq ghojmoH SoS. &#8211; The mother causes the child to
            learn./The mother teaches the child.<br>
            We have evidence that this is the correct form, as in Power
            Klingon</font></span><span lang="en-ca"></span><span
          lang="en-ca"> <font face="Calibri">we hear the form</font></span><span
          lang="en-ca"> <font face="Calibri">&lt;</font></span><span
          lang="en-ca"><font face="Calibri">qaghojmoH</font></span><span
          lang="en-ca"><font face="Calibri">&gt;</font></span><span
          lang="en-ca"><font face="Calibri"> I instruct you.<br>
            <br>
            Confusingly, we also have text written by Marc Okrand on a
            licenced trading card, which suggests that the object
            doesn't necessarily change when &#8211;moH is added to a verb.&nbsp;
            The object of ghojmoH may be the same as the object of ghoj:
            the thing learned.<br>
            <br>
            pab ghoj puq. &#8211; The child learns grammar.<br>
            ?pab ghojmoH SoS. &#8211; The mother teaches grammar.</font></span><span
          lang="en-ca"></span></p>
      <p dir="LTR"><span lang="en-ca"><font face="Calibri">Maybe it can
            be either. We have other tools for indicating the second
            object of the verb, but they, and a full discussion of this
            question, are beyond the scope of this course. The purpose
            of this digression is to explain why this course doesn't
            include instructions on using such objects, and to give you
            some insight into how we know things about the Klingon
            language.</font></span><span lang="en-ca"></span></p>
      <p dir="LTR"><span lang="en-ca"><font face="Calibri">Reference:</font></span><span
          lang="en-ca"></span></p>
      <p dir="LTR"><span lang="en-ca"></span><span lang="en-ca"><font
            face="Courier New" size="2">TKD 4.2.4 p.38 Type 4: Cause<br>
          </font></span></p>
      <p dir="LTR"><span lang="en-ca"><font face="Courier New" size="2">Skybox
            card S20 - ghaHvaD quHDaj qawmoH.</font></span></p>
      <p dir="LTR"><span lang="en-ca"><font face="Courier New" size="2">Power
            Klingon - batlh qaghojmoH<br>
            Okrand</font></span><span lang="en-ca"> </span><a
          moz-do-not-send="true"
          href="http://mughom.wikia.com/wiki/MSN?action=edit&amp;redlink=1";><span
            lang="en-ca"><u><font color="#0000FF" face="Courier New"
                size="2">MSN</font></u></span><span lang="en-ca"></span></a><span
          lang="en-ca"><font face="Courier New" size="2">, 6/97 &#8211; Prefix
            trick</font></span></p>
      <p dir="LTR"><span lang="en-ca"></span><span lang="en-ca"></span></p>
      <p dir="LTR"><span lang="en-ca"><font face="Calibri">Also perused:<br>
          </font></span><span lang="en-ca"></span><a
          moz-do-not-send="true"
          href="http://www.klingon.org/smboard/index.php?topic=556.25;wap2";><span
            lang="en-ca"><u><font color="#0000FF" face="Calibri">http://www.klingon.org/smboard/index.php?topic=556.25;wap2</font></u></span><span
            lang="en-ca"></span></a><span lang="en-ca"><br>
        </span><a moz-do-not-send="true"
          href="http://diswww.mit.edu/charon.MIT.EDU/ja%27chuq/85069";><span
            lang="en-ca"><u><font color="#0000FF" face="Calibri">http://diswww.mit.edu/charon.MIT.EDU/ja%27chuq/85069</font></u></span><span
            lang="en-ca"></span></a><span lang="en-ca"></span><span
          lang="en-ca"><br>
        </span><a moz-do-not-send="true"
          href="http://diswww.mit.edu/charon.MIT.EDU/ja%27chuq/93042";><span
            lang="en-ca"><u><font color="#0000FF" face="Calibri">http://diswww.mit.edu/charon.MIT.EDU/ja%27chuq/93042</font></u></span><span
            lang="en-ca"></span></a><span lang="en-ca"><font
            face="Calibri">&nbsp;</font></span><span lang="en-ca"> </span></p>
      <p dir="LTR"><span lang="en-ca"><font face="Calibri">- Qov</font></span><span
          lang="en-ca"></span></p>
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