tlhIngan-Hol Archive: Wed Jul 09 19:12:41 2014
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Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Still untitled beginner story: parts 5 & 6 with translation
That supports Qe' vISov. "I have knowledge of a restaurant." Only reason it's weird to say is that it's in walking distance of the guy's own home, but maybe he doesn't go out much.
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From: Steven Boozer [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: July 9, 2014 11:42
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Subject: Re: [Tlhingan-hol] Still untitled beginner story: parts 5 & 6 with translation
Qov:
>>> jatlh jupwI', Ha'! Qe' vISov.
>>
>> It's true we don't know whether Sov is more connaître or savoir, but
>> the absence of a second word after all this time kind of suggests
>> that it covers both.
>>
>> Sum qagh 'e' Sov. suggests to me that a 'has knowledge of, is aware of'
>> sort of meaning works. I think it's weirder that the friend has to
>> point out a restaurant in the person's own neighbourhood than that he Sovs it.
>> [...]
>> Can someone suggest a usage of Sov that would not trigger this uncertainty?
De'vId:
> I don't have much to say. This is really a nitpick, but can one {Sov}
> a {Qe'}? Many languages distinguish between different kinds of knowing
> (kennen vs. wissen), although Klingon seems not to. What does it mean
> to "know" a restaurant? Do you mean {Qe' tu'lu' 'e' Sov}, that you
> know it exists? You "know of" the restaurant, is that {Sov}?
FWIW, here's the (non-Okrandian?) definition for {Sov} supplied on startrek.com's "Star Trek: Continuum Klingon Compendium ("Klingon Linguistic Studies"):
Verb, to have knowledge of, or be familiar with. (KLS)
Are these examples helpful?:
jIHtaHbogh naDev vISovbe'
I'm lost. TKD
DaqwIj vISovbe'
I am lost ("I do not know my location.") PK
Daq Sovbejbe'taH qIrq
Kirk cannot know the location [of the peace conference].
DaSovbej'a'?
Are you sure [of that]? ST6
See also {jIv} "be ignorant"; no examples AFAIK. {ghov} "recognize" (v) might do for be familiar with [a place], but we have only two examples:
qamlIj vIghov
I recognize your foot. KGT
qablIj vIghov
I recognize your face. KGT
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Voragh
Ca'Non Master of the Klingons
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